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trying to do something with it. Uh, they didn't like the idea of the State Department turned down the idea of a monument. Uh, I think that's that's a That's a logical question. I asked myself that same question. I began thinking of this when I was a

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student long time ago. Uh, and I went through all kinds of things. I had schemes where I had forests out there and schemes for bird sanctuaries. And there were also when I went through the monument stage, it was uhh. And that's important. But that is not

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enough. I know a lot of, uh, structures, And I guess, uh, most of us do that are fiscally, uh, sound, uh, that that are producing revenues. I wish there were some better way of doing it. And that is just what we hope to do here. What's

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going to be? Well, yes, I think that mhm might like to get rid of Bert. Well, I never really read the details of Mr Hunt's proposal. I did see in the paper and a monument. Uh, it was I guess it was meant to be. Well, we

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call quote unquote, uh, to to the notion of this great flight. Uh, the island. I think that there will be many people to interrupt myself. I think there will be many thoughts. Come, people will have their favorite saint, their favorite heroes, and they will feel that

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alc address island. Hey, simply accept that. You can see there's been an obviously a large investment. Oh, no, no, no. This is much of the new work that Mr Boran is done recently. You see, we were in a position where there was no one to really

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consider this idea order to give us permission to work with the property once this proposal was accepted from the Presidential Commission by Congress. Now it has since died. As I understand the natural death, the General Services Administration, which is charged by the government with administering this

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property since it's been declared surplus, is very anxious that it no longer has to pay these charges themselves. And they have issued the city essentially a request. Please make up your mind what you'd like to do with it. And if you don't, we will offer it

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to a private bidder. Uh, it has been inherent in my proposal since the very beginning that this property never leave the public domain. It is too unique position for it's probably the first thing we want to. I'd like to show you is what this island is.

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What? Where it is. Uh, the island, uh, commonly called the Rock, truly is rock. I was there the other day and there's very little soil. You'll know. One of the interesting things about Alcatraz is how small it is. Uh, by this stick, you can see it

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would fit inside of aquatic park. Everybody knows what aquatic park looks like. We look out there. We think it's a great deal larger than it really is now, in order to I never can and kind of get my feet on the ground in any kind of

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a technical architectural are planning study without knowing something about what? The latitude and longitude? Uh, it's, uh, it's a It's a very solid material. Uh, geologists have made a an inspection of it. It is a very solid limestone or sandstone. I think most people feel do

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propose it on that the public area that this would have some support from, say, the universities themselves, in which case the developing company would make the land available to the universities without charge. There could be public and private funds used in those facilities, but they would

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not come from tax dollars as such From the city of San Francisco. Our point of view is quite the opposite. We intend to. We would hope, uh, if the best were the best to come up with a solution where there would be almost a sense of

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rejoicing by everyone who would visit the island. I think that besides, I think there is nothing spectacular about this. We don't have any hoop dee doo or trick buildings or trick this or trick that, uh, it's rooted as far as we're concerned in, uh, in what

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we might call practice. I call it a practical solution. That is to say, it is fistic, fiscally and economically feasible, we believe. Mhm. For one thing, the island is solid rock. Uh, and you're not going to lure any pelicans over there right now? There are the

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sauce this side of the aisle is that well populated with seagulls? The Republicans don't aren't interested. The island to convert it to a park is impractical because it's just rock. You've only got about a foot of earth over it, and that's been brought over and to

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show to do the trees that we show here would would involve, uh, the uh would involve planting a box is now. The other part of your question is that if this stays as a dead rock, it's just a dead rock. You already have Alcatraz Angel Island,

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which is a handsome park that's been taken by the state number one, uh, number two. And this is often over or forgotten that if San Francisco doesn't accept this island, then Joe Doakes can buy it. The government is, in other words, the city gets the first,

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the first preference if the city turns it down and Joe does, can buy and