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consciously, there are some positions that we never consider women or it just escapes our mind. And it ought not to in the past, you know, when we have, when we have filled the post of some executive leaves, it doesn't occur to somebody that maybe his executive

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secretary, a woman who's probably been running the department anyway. Even the time when he held the title, it doesn't occur to us that perhaps she should succeed him or that she should be the success. And these are the type of unconscious discrimination and I think that

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continue to exist and we have to call it. One of the interesting things was when you speak of women in terms of being qualified and when you try to establish a new selection procedure which can ensure those that are skilled and those that are really concerned

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in the area of women's rights and women's employment, you find tremendous male objection. And hopefully this commission is going to be able to put most of that aside. I remember this ordinance, I think it's a very I think it's a commission that you will be hearing

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from and a commission that in the aspect of two or three years from now will demonstrate that they can secure positive results. Mhm.