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Yeah, yeah. We were negotiating with the government concerning settling the orchestra's issue. The negotiations started April the 13th at the California Law Office on Polk Street. We met with Mr Browning with a man from the Justice Department

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in Washington D. C. A man from H W department in Washington, D. C. A man from G s, A. In in Washington, D. C. And they guaranteed us that no action will be taken against Alcatraz Indians as long as these negotiations were taking place. And then

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they turned around and they came out there and they took our people off the island while while while we're in the process of the negotiations, they called our attorney at 4. 30 yesterday afternoon and told him that they would have word concerning the deed to the

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island. They would have it in for us Monday morning, and that's what we were waiting for. And they came in while they were doing one thing with their left hand. They came in with the right hand, but they lied to us. They guaranteed us no action

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will be taken against the orchestra's Indians until the negotiations amid settled one way or the other. Mhm. Mhm. That's it. You understand me? Alive again? It's probably still doing that. They just told us they use some phony excuse. Like they want the lighthouse working again

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or something like that. Yeah. We're gonna go back. We're not gonna try. We're going to make it just as soon as possible. We're going to go down there. We have to steal one of the Coast Guard launches. You do? The conference predominate. $38. Okay. Yeah. Perhaps

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the most important feature of the ah, necessity for taking the occupants off has been to restore the navigational aids on the island. Yeah. Give me the keys. Okay. What are you going to do now? What, Are you going to go back there, man? Back then, we're

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gonna hold that island. Mm. Currently. Yeah. Okay. I got one car off. Another problem. What happened when they came out there? How did they approach? You just came onto the island and they just told us to stand in

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one place and they take us off. That's all they did. Were you surprised? I was really certainly surprised because I never expected this to happen so swiftly. They just told me There was a couple armed reporters, and that's all I thought there was was armed reporters,

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and I went down there and the whole courtyard was covered with armed people. I guess they were federal marshals, deputy marshals or whatever. Did they give you any reason? You know, they just They just didn't say anything. We asked them why there was Somebody asked him

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why they was taking us off, and they said they didn't know. What are your plans now? I'm not certain. Well, I'm gonna have to wait, you know? Well, it's gonna take a lot more people than just me, you know, to make plans. Some of the other

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Indians who were brought in here said that they were going back. They were going to take the island again. Do you share their feelings? I certainly do. I would. Well, it makes me sick to see these people come back and take our lands away from us

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like that. It really does. It's sickening. The operation this morning was precipitated, uh, by the theft of some government property off the island. Uh, which came to our attention this morning consisting of some copper, a cable which was sold on the mainland, according to a complaint

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which was filed this afternoon against three persons who are in custody for a sum of $680 at a local metal company. Mr. Baroni was part of the reason for your taking the Indians off the island because they had made some kind of a threat to the

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government if they didn't come up with a proposal to continue their presence. Just a few days ago, through their attorney, we received the word that in the event the government would not imminently present to them some proposals giving them either use or title to the island

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that they were prepared to quote, do something unquote in respect to the island. Is this one of the reasons that you took them off today to keep them from doing something about, um, the government has attempted, I believe in the past to exert its right of

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access to the island for the purpose of investigating crimes, uh, for the purpose of the possibility of apprehending fugitives who may be on the island. And each time this has occurred, the government has been met with some sort of resistance on the part of the Indian

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group in recent months,