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mhm. Uh huh. Hello? Good morning. After morning. How? Each morning. Fine, thank you. We've just seen one of your planes go out. Did you feel proud? We're very proud of that aircraft. I'm very proud to, I think mostly all black Americans to see this will be

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very proud to tell me this. Ralph, how did you set up the company? Arab Esca. Well, originally, we start out by trying to get jobs with other outfits, and we found out they wouldn't hire us, so we started our own. Well, that sounds very simple. You

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started your own What? How did you start your own? Well, we've got a group of five gentlemen together, and we started forming a corporation and we went out and we put our money together and we bought an airplane. All black men, all black men. I'm proud

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of you. Rather how did you learn to fly? I started while originally group of us got together and we bought an aircraft and we decided that you don't even have an aircraft that you can't use. So we learned to fly it. We hired an instructor and

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we all took lessons and out of the group that originally started, I think all but to learn to fly. Well, tell me what kind of, uh, not static. But what kind of interesting experiences do you have here at the airport or at any airport? When the

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people see the pilots of life first, it sort of stops things and he stop and stare. You don't know what to make of it at first. And then they look for somebody else to get out. It was flying it. Oh, that's the first thing I see.

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Well, excuse me. Other than that the only static we've had is trying to borrow money. I don't think that we are businessmen enough to borrow money or to loan us money on aircraft. But you are making the business work. Yes, we are. You have air tours

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and air cargo. We have air tours. We have a cargo and passengers. We even fly skydivers. Really? Yes, we do. Well for fun. I mean, they pay good, they pay to jump, they pay so much per jump. Now you don't jump with them. I have back

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trouble. And that happened to be a yellow streak about a foot wide. No, I got that. Now, tell me this. What kind of education do you have? I have 3.5 years of college. Uh, what was your major? My major was electronics. And then, prior to that,

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I was political science and American history. American history. You didn't find anything in there that would inspire you? Wouldn't know. I didn't. I found more in political science and, uh, in fact, that I loved. I loved political science. I see. Well, now, where can you fly?

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Were certificated now to go anywhere in the United States, Alaska or Canada. Well, I'm very proud of you, and so are the view. Is, I'm sure. Well, I'm We're very proud of our organization and a lot of the end of our families who helped to push

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us. Yes, of course. Without them, we wouldn't be where we are. Thank you so much. Thank you. And I'm going up in Arab esto. Very good. And anybody else who wants to go Well, welcome anybody. Oh, thank you. Bye bye now. Thank you. Mhm, Brandon. Tell

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me, how did pack that started? Oh, I also heard about five years ago when I was a stockbroker. Documents then we used to get together. Look at some small investors. We used to get together all the time and talked about the whole investment area and the

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kinds of things that were going in downtown San Francisco and Dr Lucas became more interested and I took time off and we could take windows off all day and just walk around markets on the street and broken down buildings and see the fantastic complex. But the

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whole financial world that you never became exposed to became very excited about. And so now why aren't more black people in here and why aren't there more people learning? You know, all of this tremendous information that really make really the center of the soul economy and

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read the world's world decisions being made on what really it's really worthy to communicate shapes and the decisions being made here. So we said that we've got to get him here in somewhere. You gotta find a way to get in. Dr. Lucas then decided to take

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Windsor's off from his practice, and we suspend all Windsor just roaming up and down with German street. We then decided then, but what? We've gotta do the ways that we gotta process we've got. I guess we can't do it all by ourselves and we don't want

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to do it all by ourselves. And one of the commitments that we have, in fact is really to not so much as developed things bring down to the level of people but bring people up to the level of what's there and what's available. And so we

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decided that we've got to get black people involved, a top level positions in the financial industry in the business community because that's where the brain center is. That's where things begin to formulate. We went to the office room in this building, the Balboa building, and he

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brought down his car tables in his chair. You put on the telephone and we open up an office and we call it the Pack placement office. And from that we started. We used to walk down Market Street and my grammar street used to hand out cards,

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saying to people, If you are interested in a job, a better job, come down and see us and from that pack group stand far. At that time, we used to call a plan of action for challenging times. We call a pack now because I got to

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be a mouthful to say, Uh, but starting with that, no staff and $100 has since become a pretty large organization. We are about $500,000 budget. Now we have about a 20 staff people, and we're doing things in a business area in the placement area and in

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the education area. No salmon. Can you tell me one particular one specific case in which you help someone you were telling me about this Jamaica tour? Yeah, I think this is a very good example. It just happens to be a guy that's on the whole gamut

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of what we started out to do. He's the guy that replaced with one of the airlines earlier. Three years ago, he rose to be a supervisor at the airline company, and he was, I think, the highest black person at the San Francisco airport. But he then

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decided after this exposure that he, because of his talents, a good recognition it was a good opportunity for him to recognize that they had tremendous talents that, uh, he never knew before. And now that he had this exposure which we knew what happened once the guy

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gets exposure and once he sees a new horizon and it begins to recognize talents the I never had a chance to apply before. So this guy decides, Well, I'm going to open up my own business. I'm going to go into a travel agency and I'm gonna

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run tourist Jamaica. So he came in to us and he says, Listen, I want to quit my job, and I want to go ahead and start this company. So we said, Well, you know what you're doing. You're quitting a good job, and you really haven't ran

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these stories before. And he won. He had very ambitious plans, were able then to sit down and recognized, and he was curious. People sit down with him put together in proper package, take him over to the bank, negotiate alone for him, and now he is about

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to take his first tour to Jamaica in August 25th. Oh, that's really exciting. And I know that this will be inspiring. Will you tell me, please, what? You say you have a three pronged program. The business program is the one I'm just reflecting on and that

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is to help guys to get into business. We help them to identify the areas of business opportunities. We help them to put their loan packages together. We then take them to the banks into the Small Business Administration and try to get them loans. We're now in

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the process developing our own banks so that we can make our loans directly from our own office. But we're not trying to raise money, and I think in the next two or three months we should have a major loan source right within our office and the

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second. And we've helped, I think, several 100 businessmen in Paris two or three years. I think we have a very good record in that regard. The third approach then, besides the placement and then the business assistance is the education program, and this is a program is

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funded by the Health Education Welfare Department, and what we do is we identify students at the high school level who probably would not qualify for college, and once we identified and we then try to make sure they get all the counseling assistance possible and we work

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with their counselor or we help to get additional counselors from the college levels to work with these kids. And once the kid has been so identified, we can dine there, guarantee him and entry into some college. It might not be the college of his choice. It

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might not be Cal Berkeley, or it might not be San Francisco State. We can get him to colleges, maybe, like Chico State or University of the Pacific or Sacramento State. Good schools, right? Right, Good opportunities. We can not only get them into college, but we can

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also get them financial assistance, whether in college and we get them. We also get them to guarantee tutorial services while they're at least the first two years in school. And that program has worked quite success. We've been doing it for a year now. We're not going

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in today, the second year of that program. I understand that some students that you help our oh, in fact, much older than, say, high school students were not limited to high school students. We are the opportunities available. We have the office of number three in the

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corner of shock and ruthless Fall Apart Education Clearinghouse. We now have one that's operating out of the Western edition of Poverty Office and McAllister Street. But we, of course, this is are ready to target group with high school kids, but we're not. We've placed at temperatures

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to state college of a woman 38 years old who was just starting all over again. So it's not limited to high school students at all, so anybody can take advantage of this program. Now, Mr Brandon has just told you about this. I told you the thrilling

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story about a man who left an airlines and has set up a tour travel, uh, operation. And this is Mr John Tread Gil here. This is the very nice. Uh, Now, tell me, Mr Plenty, would you say you could have done this without the help of

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packed? Well, I doubt that I could have gotten off to the strong, but I did without their help. No. I've been able to assist me in many areas. Film of publicity introductions to other individuals who might be interested in the tours. Um, through the financial from

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the financial standpoint, connections, contacts with the right people, something of which obviously I could have done in this area have been most helpful when they set about planning your whole project. That is to say, helping you to make more realistic adjustment adjustment was can you say

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at any time, uh, you were You felt they were being a little pushy, or did they feel like brothers to, You know, I I felt that this was, uh, brother type thing. If you would like to use that term, uh, they Well, big brother guy didn't

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speak. It would be the best, uh, term to use. This is certainly the way accepted it. Man, Your tour leaves here August 24. August 24th, Right. The first one it's gonna be for 10 days. 10 days? Well, this, um it's rather it's been planned rather early.

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It's It's going to include round trip air transportation in Thailand, tours, uhh, meals and and the little clips, right? Oh, yeah, definitely. Thank you very much. Goodbye. Not goodbye.