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I tried to get an appointment for JC Penney's management training position. They wanted someone who had a bachelor's in liberal arts and they wanted men and I thought that you know that's really incredible. So I almost got an appointment and then the secretary said to me

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oh they only want men. So I called several times to see if I can get an appointment and she refused to give me an appointment. So finally the day that J. C. Penney's was going to be on campus. I called up in the morning and I

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said hi I'm making an appointment for my brother. Edward G. Macdonald. Well I don't have a brother. I gave her my qualifications and I showed up at three o'clock in the afternoon in my mini skirt and I said hi I'm Edward G. Mcdonald I'm here for

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my appointment. She said you're who? I said well actually I'm Elizabeth, Jayne Mcdonald but you wouldn't give me an appointment. She said do you realize you're jeopardizing our position with J. C. Penney's? And I said do you realize you're getting federal funds to find everybody jobs

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not just clerical jobs for women and all the rest of the jobs for men. So she went into the men from pennies and she said I think she probably said you know that there was this weird person out there but not to get excited just past

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the fire and she'll go away. So Mr Bigelow from pennies came out big smile and the psychological warfare was on. So we went in for an interview and uh I said you know what is this? Most of your customers are women. Most of the sales women

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on the floor are women. And I said, why don't you want women in the management training program? I mean are women competent enough to buy Penny's products, but not competent enough to sell them? So he said, well, you know, it's a five year commitment and most

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women want to get married, you know, they don't want to stick it out. So I said, are you speaking from experience? Are there any women in management trainee? And so he said, yes, there's this one woman in lingerie and she's doing a very good job. And

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I said, it's the reason why you know her, because she's the only one. He didn't know how to answer that.