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he says. I have to have a license to to run inside the bay on a special permit, to run back and forth, evidently from one point to another. And I've been doing this for 11 years. And now whatever the government orders, well, I can't tell what's

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going to happen. I don't know what happened out of it. I can say we want to know I've never done. But this is just one little thing to slow them down a little bit, I guess. Typical government trick Been stopping Indians on technicalities for 100 years

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now. Why should they change? You have trouble with it? I was disappointed, Of course I was really excited about it. And I don't see any reason we signed the things saying we wouldn't hold anyone accountable. So it seemed to me that we should be allowed to

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go. Why did you go out to the island in the first place? Well, because I just go out. They are to see Alcatraz because I've gone by it many, many times on a ship as a seaman and curiosity, I would say, Well, I've lived out here

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all my life, and every day it might cross the bridge. You see Alcatraz and you wonder what it is. My mother in law, who were visiting up here, lives a golden gateway center and you look out across the water and you see that big rock out

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there. And you realize that one of these days are going to tear down a bit of history for the first time. Anyone actually going out to see it like it's a visitor. It's just thrilling, and being on the first boat was even that much more thrilling.

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You didn't think the $5 fee was no, that's well worth it because, you know, later on it may be more, and maybe they'll never let anybody on that island either. I couldn't think of a better way to spend $5 than to give it to the Indians.

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We're restoring the light because we feel it's necessary for it to be there. It's, uh, we don't want any tankers running into the island in the middle of the night and having an oil slick out here or anything like this. That fire we we we don't

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know how it started any more than anyone else does. And gs a speculation that it was arson. They can't possibly know anything like that because there have been no government people on the island at all since the fire. Uh, were there, Was there anyone seen on

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the island or you have any reason to believe that they were started by someone other than the Indians? There have been unconfirmed reports that there was a boat left the island about the time of the fire. But that's all it is is unconfirmed reports. We don't

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know this for a fact. Now, we've had incidents in the past where people on boats have come by and shot at the island. And we had an incident a week ago Saturday where a man was landed on the island. When we told him that he had

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to leave, he threatened to come back with men in arms and he threatened three of three of us down on the dock. But this is part of the harassment. You don't know how the fire started then? No. And that's the truth. We don't know anything anymore

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about that fire than anyone else does.