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there has been this last year, I think a complete lack of communication. I don't know there where the fault lies except that we have had certain individuals that simply wanted to passed resolutions about things without ever trying to find out what the facts were getting together

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with us. This was resulted in a complete breakdown communication and I think today served a good purpose student needs, but it's very hard to get a specific student need that he's been unresponsive to. It's a general feeling. I think that that that I've been hired by

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poverty law firm. My my whole, my whole reason for coming to law school was to go to go to work in that type of program. My first summer I spent in Mississippi at $30 a week in Holmes County last summer I spent in santa Maria with

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the chicanos and I'm going back to santa Maria and spend my, it's been my law career with the chicanos and the oppressed people in this society. And I don't think that this law school gears you for that. I don't say that they shouldn't have their commercial

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law courses. I just say you shouldn't have to be made or compelled to go into the commercial law courses. You should be given some choice, got to have the individual serving the poverty area just as well educated in the law and just as definitely aware of

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problems, for example, of corporate law as the individual who works in a large corporate law office. We attempted to go through the proper channels through the student association student government and the administration just acted with bad faith and every encounter they had with us. So that's

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been effectively discontinued as far as we're concerned and this is exactly the type of institution that perpetuates the evils that do tear this, this society apart. I think the real problem, if there is a real problem two to anything is that I think it goes beyond

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lack of communication. I think the problems that bothered the students at this school are if I may generalize, have bothered students at other schools, the the need to fulfill certain goals that they believe the school should fulfill. I think the way we've handled it, I think

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it's been very admirable. The the other schools and the other disruptions at other campuses and the other handling of student grievances have been confrontation with the administration with non negotiable demands with certain certain grievances about specific issues and I don't think that's the answer. The answer

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is more. What are the general underlying fundamental policies in the school? What what is actually deep down bothering the students, not the question of the grading system or not, but why? And they like to have reasons and they don't like as the administration does not like

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to to be demanded of the students do not like to be demanded of, they like to be given the answers. And I think we spent two hours today informing students in almost the entire student body, was there going to be able to eliminate fundamental courses? Let

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me ask Mr. Black, if he's if he was satisfied with the meeting today, the general attitudes that were expressed like, why don't we have students on the correct, why doesn't this happen? Why doesn't that happen? Why do the professors seem to have kind of an iron

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grip hold? And why is that thing in the catalog that says that all the rights are reserved to the professors and the faculty to dismiss you and their answers are very good. Their answers are okay, we'll get rid of that and all that kind of thing.

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But I think the question is, why was it in there in the first place? And I think it's it's it's very hard to approach that kind of a question from the student viewpoint, as as the dean said, we come and go here. But in my three

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years here, I can remember the third year class, in the second year class, when I was a first year student, and I can remember the third year, in the first year class, when I was a second year stewed. And I know what's going down the first

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year, in the second year class. Now that I'm a third year student, nobody likes what's happening in this school. Everybody thinks that the dean generally is unresponsive at school and I think it's clear that it pervades the whole school, and I don't think many people would

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dispute it. The problem is how do you put your finger on it? It's very difficult to do that. And I think that the meeting just brought out that it's almost impossible to do. Mhm. As as one student said during the meeting, why do you think we're

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here? I think the fact that so many students showed up shows that something is wrong, but when you get down to write diagnosing the specific and hanging it on him, it's very hard to do the modified admissions program. The leader Armand has just tried time and

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time again to meet with Deion Sanders has been told, I have heard that he's been told that Dean was ill or something like that. And then it comes back that he was down in san Diego on a convention or something? It's the whole kind of thing

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like that. You can go to the secretaries and they want your name and all this kind of thing. And it's very hard to put your finger on in one class yesterday, a professor talked about this meeting and said that the Dean was going to come to

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it and say it was a rump meeting and had no standing and then he proceeded to tell us the procedures for suspension in this school now, is that intimidation? Well, maybe it's not intimidation, but did you feel intimidated. Yes, I felt intimidated and I don't think,

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you know, my whole premise, it may be very good for some types of law and the law that I intend to practice. It's not good at all. A typical justification for many of the required courses is that we have the faculty here. Therefore we have to

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have the course. It should be the other way around. You want to decide what course you want and you get the faculty to teach it. Doug is this more or less your point of view? Well, I think that's probably just to sum up, I'd say that

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since we arrived at this institution, we have been surrounded with an atmosphere of intimidation. And I feel that The best thing we could do would be possibly two quiet down to assure that no repugnant reprisals come directly against us, get out of this law school and

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then fight against the very thing that this school represents. Thank you very much. Mm hmm. I think there's been a definite need for communication. There's always a problem of communication when you've got a law school with 1173 students in it. And obviously three top administrative officers

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try to communicate with all of these students. We've tried to do it in the past. And I think this has got to be the way it's done in the future in the main by working with a duly elected student council that purportedly represent their constituents as

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the assembly and the Senate and sacramento is supposed to represent. There's and we've tried to work with them. They asked me if I would continue to attend meetings of this sort and I will, I certainly am not going to do it every week. That's obviously impossible.

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And it's obviously unnecessary. I think in the long run, however, that the original approach of having a responsive student council to work with us and report back is the primary way in which we've got to establish communication when that breaks down, then I think we have

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to have meetings such as this. I don't know whether it's served the purpose today or not. It's certainly, I think helped considerably talking with the students. The, the idea I got was that there are a good many who feel that the school hasn't been responsive to

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changing times, that the curriculum hasn't changed in the way that lawyers are moving now, the kind of practice that they want to carry on and so on. Do you think that the curriculum is changing and that you are meeting the needs of today's lawsuit? I think

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very definitely the curriculum is changing. It's expanding and it will continue to expand. On the other hand, as I mentioned in the meeting today, when the question came up of having two types of bars attorneys, this just isn't feasible. It isn't possible because he's going to

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have to form corporations. This is one of the ways of trying to alleviate the poverty situation and developing community corporations. Certainly he's going to need that he's going to even need taxation. One of the men came in last year and asked me why he had to

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take tax because he was black and he was going to be doing all of his work in the poverty area. My answer to him was just as I have given it to you. If he's going to really represent his group, he's going to have to work

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with the problems of setting up small corporations and the like. And the minute he does that, he runs into tax problems with corporations. So he's got to have at least a fundamental knowledge of it. He was satisfied. I think he took the course anyway. What we

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certainly are expanding. As I told the students today, we're getting expanding in the field of environmental law. This is something that I've been working on for the last four years and we now have a program started the natural resources law with the director of it and

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I brought in who had had experience faculty member. We're going to have a very large meeting conference on that in conjunction with the continuing education, the bar next fall and we're working out a program with the Medical Center for Legal Medical Programs. We are going to

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