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It's a black thing, really. Uh, much of my style is very black is very, uh, but it's also something that I've used imagined that I could do, and I've stretched out beyond some of these things. I keep stretching. I'm always stretching. I dramatized much of what

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I do. I feel very free and comfortable in what I do. I'm you know, when people try to put me down, it's all right. I can deal with that. I deal with the unpredictable. I'm not afraid. I'm not scared. I'm not frightened by what happens, you

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see as I speak. So I've stretched as much as I possibly could. Well, continue to stretch and whatever that wherever that takes me, I'm going to follow it. You've said yourself that you've set your priorities with the community and the broad spectrum of the community. Why,

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then, do you always choose the radical issues to align yourself with, mainly because that's where my head is and that's where my heart is and that's where my life is. That's where I put my body the most radical things. I believe that that we have to

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radicalize uh, things to get things done very quickly. Social change means rapid social change. It seems to me also I believe that Jesus Christ was a revolutionary and he was a radical. And you get you got to be out there. You've got to be. Why do

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you think hundreds of people stand in line to get into church here on Sunday? Basically because we're meeting their needs. You see, I'm convinced that some of the greatest needs that we have at this particular time as it relates to what may be called the life

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of the church, which I would not call this is really not a church. It's a community of people because they come from from all over the community. And if you want to call that a church, yeah, church means community. You see, one of the basic needs

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of people is, as I see it is to be loved is to have people care for them is to share with people. That's a basic need. People want to know that their loved do you think there should be or should not be any delineation between those

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things that you should feel when you're in the church. Uh, other than those things that you should feel in some other social gathering. No, no. Let you know. Whatever I feel in church, I can feel any other place. Like what makes church so different from any

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other place except the fact that we're community people, community of people who have gathered and who want to share with each other some very basic things. Uh, and, uh, for instance, whatever people feel in church, they'll be able to feel other places. People tell me this

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is the first time that we've come to church and felt good. Most churches, people go to feel guilty. I don't know why churches want to make people feel guilty. We work out our problems together. You see, it's when we do it as a community. And that's

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what we really be about uniquely. Then this is what we provided. Glide. Hopefully that cannot be provided at the Fillmore west of which cannot be provided at some traditional church. You see, we do it together. I don't want to be the Big Father Confessor. How does

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God quote unquote fit into this as he wishes to, uh, you see, I don't know. Uh, I'm one who believes that you don't have to use a lot of God doctrine and God talk. We call it theology. Uh, because I think theology has lived. Uh, if

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you believe in in God what I would call the ultimate being that which is ultimate in life, then you live that way. You respond that way. If you believe in Jesus Christ, Jesus of Nazareth, you live that way. You, you You don't reject a prostitute. Nor

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do you reject the tax collector. Now, do you reject the man who's blind, who won, who is in prison? You don't reject the prisoners. You accept all people, no matter who they are. You see, you live that way. And I'm tired of theology talk. I think

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we have to live it. Mhm. Yeah. The fact is that something is happening here at Glide Church each Sunday. True, there's wide disagreement as to exactly what it is. But there

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are few churches in the country faced with the problem of possibly scheduling three services because hundreds are being turned away. Velvet Davis for eyewitness News in San Francisco