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well jerry brown, we've got to place our principal emphasis on rewarding those who are doing the kinds of things that advance our communities and our societies and for those who do things that don't. But we have to have, unfortunately, a system of sanctions and those sanctions

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have two primary purposes. First to punish those who do violate the rules, and secondly, to protect society from their activities, at least during the period of time that they're incarcerated. Maybe you might think that's somewhat pessimistic. I think it's realistic crime of assault or a crime

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of robbery shall be punished just as a so called white collar crime of fraud, of misrepresentation of political crimes, such as we saw in Watergate. I think in the first requisite, our criminal justice system is justice itself. And in order for justice to work, you have

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to have speedy trials, you have to have punishments that are po imposed without respect to persons and you have to have an opportunity for the innocence to be determined and for them to be freed if the charges were brought in properly. Now, that to me, just

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seems elementary