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Obviously every prison in the country is, you know, is a target is someplace that needs to be abolished. You know, in the meantime, could use a little revising. I think that it's curious that the draft resisters at this point are mostly being sent to Safford because

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it's so far away and because it's not a heavy prison, it's not a place where it's easy to organize. I mean, my husband was sort of organizing type, you know, when he realized when he got this after that, it wasn't a place where everybody was just,

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you know, all fired up and ready to toe organize against the conditions, etcetera, because it's a very mild prison. But even in a mild prison in the country like this, it's just insane. The same is always when that happens that it's that what our job is

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to do is to try to find an alternative to the two ways of acting, to either being completely passive or to getting violent. There is an alternative, although it's different in each case, and we don't spend enough time looking for it because we're not trained that

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way. When we're trained to either sit back and do nothing or react like that and literally, almost inevitably, do something dumb. So far, I haven't been in the midst of those situations because that's not the kind of place I am. For instance, I'm not in the

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school. I mean, when it happened, San Francisco State and I was criticized for not being there, but I'm not there. I mean, I don't go there. And then it's a question of where do you rush into a riot from 50 60 miles away to try to

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steal it? You know, if you're in the middle of it, then I think it's your obligation to try and do something about it. But being an outsider and coming into a situation about which you know very little is a very touchy thing.