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you ought to see the lead guitar, the guy who plays lead guitar on this album on dreams, I walked into the studios in R. C. A. In new york. And the fellow who's the producer arranger said, okay, I want you to meet the guy who's gonna

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be a right hand man. He's going to play lead guitar and he's written wrote two of the songs on the album. I've never met him, He had no idea. This guy walks in and he has curly blond tipped with black roots hair and a belt with

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big studs on it and tattoos all over and sleeves rolled up, you know? And he talks like this, he said totally you know, to add sent from, he's from Connecticut, his parents don't talk like that. He said, I don't know where it got the accent, but

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he sits down with an acoustic guitar and plays this buck classical music fast and perfectly. I mean you can play any instrument you hand him and he's very warm, very open. He's not all the way he looks, the way he looks is totally different. And he's

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been in about 70 new wave bands a week. He plays 24 hours a day and he's fantastic. Can you relate to new wave and punk? Well there's all kinds of different people on this one is a straight old kind of um my era style. The bass

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player. Um the drummer was snappily dressed all the time. It's curly hair. Uh studio musician and the arrangers and that's all kinds of different people on here. I like all kinds of music Only music I don't understand very well is chinese because it's almost always a

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high end female voice and I can't um stand high end for a very long time. I have to hear a bass otherwise I get kind of strange. But that's the only music I don't understand. Let me just go back to an early album that you did.

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What did you mean by the human name doesn't mean shipped to a tree? This whole thing goes on in spite of richard, Nixon Barbra Streisand Shah veran. You know in other words you don't go berserk, getting power, fame, money Blah Blah Blah. And there's still a

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500 year old redwood looking at all go by. Ah I meant exactly what I said doesn't human name doesn't mean Ship to a tree. Why didn't RC. A. Released? Yes. Why didn't R. C. A. Release lather is the single from that album. It doesn't have anything

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to do with R. C. A. It was the band that's the band. Sometimes the band will say okay we don't know what to release. So you pick one and other times the band would say now here's the one we want to do but our CIA never

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said no to anything. We occasionally fought over lyrics myself but paul did but they never in the end said no to any of the singles. It was our if we made mistakes it was our own mistakes. We were never very good at picking singles, we never

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knew what the single market was? Okay, thank you very much. Excuse me, Are we? I better not say that we're trying to sell right across the funky. No, it was great. We were growing pot in the backyard and she'd get out of here we go on

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a vacation. We were totally safe because she wouldn't let anybody with any uniforms and she'd hold that shotgun up there and the police used to go, just a nice old lady, she's afraid of the nazis and they go away listen to that. She said it doesn't

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mean to say, wait a minute. This guy says motherfucker big deal at the time. But I like Crown of Creation. That was you think that's right. Have you heard Marianne faithfull's record? You might think I am corners was interesting. Made in Japan. Well, um, I've always

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worn this stuff so I don't know. Yeah, I know you were into modeling so I don't know what with greasy? Maybe I was just making a distinction between um, I think I was anointed older women wearing makeup and now that I'm an older woman wearing makeup.

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Are you annoyed at yourself? Are you annoyed at yourself? Yeah, I guess so. A lot of that was in this record here. Annoyed at myself. I used to be annoyed at everybody else getting annoyed at myself. So the next record I have to move on to

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something else. You have to listen. You're manic depressive for for how many years until I came to san Francisco. When was that? 71 people say if you get this amount of human beings together in this amount of space, whether in this period of time, somebody's going

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to die or be killed because that's what we do and we're so stupid that we still kill each other a lot. So what I meant by that was that Woodstock was in those days up against the wall. But no, do you think that that message still

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applies as the band continued on later toward the end of Middle 70s? I think it was tough for us to figure out what to say because we weren't doing anything. I mean, you know what it's like sitting there saying, well, maybe write a love song or

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something because what do you do with this country? What happened? Why isn't what we said was going to happen? Why didn't that happen? You don't, you don't even really want to talk about it. Because if if you mentioned the fact that what we had in mind

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didn't work, then that makes it even more real the fact that it is not, you know, so it was just kind of this, you know, don't mention it, maybe it'll go away kind of thing. You're picking that up. Okay, Grace. You know the political message that

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the band had. Whatever that message was when you were with the airplane. Let's see. We are volunteers of America. One of the problems was I didn't write any of that. And I thought, well, that's very nice because paul and marty or whoever they were. And I

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thought, oh, they're really into it. And that's good. And I like to watch people get into and represented was something that was in your life. Are you living out your life through the band? Pretty much. Yeah. Um, let's try that one again. In other words, do

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you think that the band and the actions and the idea is reflected what you, as a member of the group represented? Yeah, it wasn't opposed. In other words, we weren't saying one thing and doing another. We were we were uh, doing pretty much whatever it was

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we were singing about. It was a reflection of what we were doing done by you in particular. What was the most outrageous event that you can think of? I don't know. I think that would have to be answered by somebody else because um, a lot of

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it, I forget if you drink enough, you go into a blackout and you can't remember what you did. And for instance, that Whitney Museum thing, I said something to cure his wife and I have no idea, but the whole band had to apologize. I didn't apologize

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only because I didn't know I'd said anything like I woke up the next morning and thought, well, that was probably a lot of fun last night. I couldn't remember half of it, you know? So it's I don't know what is outrageous if I had gotten into

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the White House, that might have been the outrageous number of the century. Um but I didn't get in, So if you could go back, would you change anything that you've done or said I said that this morning? I I wouldn't do some of it again, but

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I wouldn't change the way it was. It's really impossible to go back. That's another problem with that doing it again, I can't do it again. So you shouldn't speculate what, what led up to leaving the band now, you're on your own. You have a solo album

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out what led to your realistically and as far as Business goes, it was getting a bit complicated. What about the famous confrontation you always seem to have with the whole thing. We're rolling. When you look at the history of rock, especially in san Francisco, there were

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a lot of beginnings and endings. You said in the book and the book you're quoted as saying that Woodstock was really a fluke and ultimate was your return to reality. What do you mean by that? Um I'd like to take that back? Ah I think the

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reason why I said it was from, excuse me, can we start again, Her gimbels? I think that's what I meant by fluke was not that it was a fluke, but that ordinarily in, I think and Altamont was the reality is that when you get that many

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human beings in that amount of space, usually one or two people die with that figure amount of people. I didn't mean that Woodstock was a fluke that it was just sort of thrown together and we just all happened to be in Woodstock. I just meant that

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as far as the death of the human being is concerned some people have equated you with the san Francisco sound. Other people say that the Germans guitar, is that sound, Is there any definition of what was the san Francisco sound? No, I think it's probably right

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to equate any musician at that time. The rock musicians with a san Francisco sound because we were making sound, we're from san Francisco. So yeah, I'm the san Francisco sound. So as a grateful dead. So as uh quicksilver Messenger Service, anybody you name is san Francisco

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sound, they don't all sound alike. But another record which will be um different in sound to this one. You know, when you came to the hate experience in the book, it says that you actually read hurricane tagging everybody hippies and you sort of came from outside

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and you've come to over the years represent that aesthetic isn't that kind of in Congress or kind of a funny contradiction there you should come into it and then why don't I think what Herb Kane was talking about. I can't, I wish I still had that

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article because I remember sending it and I remember reading it and everything, but it was, it's just, it's vague now. And I think he was talking about a cross between beatnik and hippies. They weren't really hippies yet. He was just mentioning sort of something happening in,

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in North Beach. Um, it was in between bohemia, there's bohemian, then there's Beatnik and then there's this kind of changing period and then the uh, acid flower Children, hippies and then flower Children or something. So that if you, I guess you can tag all those people

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if you want to at certain eras of time. And he had just written some kind of an article that made it sound like I ought to come back in san Francisco. It sounded good. You know, people creating new things and dressing funny and Thumbing their nose

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a little bit and all those things sounded like that. That would be an interesting thing to get into for a while. And I was 19 years old. And I thought, Hey, I'll try that for a while. And it was fun. He was right, What about the

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future? There's a lot of different music around these days. Have you heard any of the so called punk bands