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yeah. How do you get to go from a grip man on a cable car to a director of an international film? Um Well you don't pay attention to what people tell you. Um Of course, if I ask everybody what they thought, well I would have never

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made it. You gotta be evil baby, that's about the size of it. Where did you start out directing film? I started out right here in san Francisco. I wrote a book about the cable cars when I used to drive cable cars and the book was fairly

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successful and somebody once said it looks like a film and I always wanted to try films and so I tried them and I made three. So I went down to Hollywood and I showed my films around and I said um I like to work and I

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said well maybe we got a job for you, can you dance, That's what baby, that isn't exactly what I had in mind. So then um I tried another place and I asked him for a job and they asked me did I want to work as a

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parking attendant? So um you know, I got a little discouraged, really, more than discouraged, I just got evil and I said well later, so then I I went to Holland and then from Holland, I went to paris and that's where I got it. Got it all

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together in paris, thanks, it's easier to break into directing and producing films in europe than it would be in the United States. No, no, no, no, it's it's not easy, it's it's difficult or even maybe more difficult, but um, you don't have an iron muir wall

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against, um, against negro talent there, um, and that, and just that little opening enabled me to, to get my ball rolling. Um, it's rough, but, well, it's possible I'm standing here, you know.