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the figures on the trade union seen rose to prominence as a founder and phones from the golfers. FML of the 18 eighties through Wars here became the first registered member of the cigar Makers International Union, with other familiar with full close up was among the labor

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pioneers who first gained. They made more in an hour than they formerly did in the day, and there were been pension funds. In addition, finding participated in by John L. Lewis. It was but another step toward raising Labour's

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own Capitol building in Washington, the new national headquarters of the A F of L. C. Regardless of my tenure in that house across the square, I expressed his hope that I shall always be a welcome over here as the man on this platform will be over

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in my office to discuss anything of mutual interest. Well, now this presents to the Negro workers a grave problem because, uh with automation, which results in the reduction in the number of workers required to produce commodities and services and so forth. Onda and the

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operation of race bias, which prevents colored workers from participating in apprenticeship training programs on where they represent twice as many of the unemployed as the as whites proportionately, you can readily see that it presents a grave situation to the Negro Negro Youth under the Negro community

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on the Census reports way, always find that year after year. Although the position of the Negro seems to improve in dollars and cents terms that's still the primary occupational classifications in which they fall are largely the skilled and unskilled. In addition, then we find at the

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top of the scale another small concentration, so that in the in between classifications, there's a vast gap. There are very few Negroes who worked in these in between the skilled trades, uh, semi professional on professional. Even there is a vast gap now. This has an impact

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on the total Negro community. The impact is felt among young people because all they see are unskilled and semi skilled workers. So they gear themselves even when they're young, for relatively unskilled or semi skilled jobs. If they're fortunate enough, toe have a friendly family physician or

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a friendly social worker or a friendly attorney or friendly something like this, and they may be motivated to strive for this level. But in the in between levels is that there is this gap. This is primarily in the crafts. Uh, this is a real problem within

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the medical community. Bill, you've been closely identified with the trade union movement. How? How has the trade union movement here in San Francisco or in the Bay Area tried to fill this gap that person has been talking about? I think the gap that person has put

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his finger on is very largely in the area of skilled trades. Of course, as you know, the labor movement in this area has a broad cross section of the people in the area. In the trade union movement, it's a well organized area. Almost everybody who's working

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on a job is in a union. This means therefore a head of other areas. I think this is this gap. I think California in general and the Bay Area and specifically are among the best places in the country in this regard. I say that recognized that

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doesn't mean we do not have any problems. We do. But the thing that I think is most significant is that the trade union movement California Labor Federation itself took the initiative. A couple of years ago in initiating the program, which is now in operation in the

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state, dealing with opening increasing opportunities for minority youth in apprenticeship training. I think it's significant that the trade union movement took this initiative. I think it's significant that this is the only state in the union where such a program is now underway. I am happy that

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we have it under way and wish that it were also in operation in other places because it is beginning to make progress. Way are at the point where it is possible to say that a young person who aspires to get a skill should not now hold

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himself back because he feels he will be discriminated against in developing that skill. Charlie used to be a member of this trade union before you took this present job. Is that right? Yes. I still holding active working card, uh, by way of context. I'd like to

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say that the federal government has made several surveys and studies in regard to this manpower lag that you speak off on. It would be of interest to say that they have now appointed five Industrial Training Advisors form line Artist distributed around key regional sections of the

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country having to do with the promotional in of qualifying Negroes for better opportunities in apprenticeship, um in connection with in connection with the problems associated with the factors that prohibit minorities from being selected into skilled trades, we consider the fact of education one of the basic

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handicaps. Employers increasingly stressed their willingness to give opportunities to minorities, but they also emphasize lack of preparation. Well, what about I feel that the climate is ripe, Bill said. For anyone who has the proper qualifications to be considered judged and tested on, given impartial treatment in

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this election, on a scale labor with skilled labor, you work with the youth and the Buchanan. Why? What about this factor of motivation? Well, going back to the problem that Percy uh, spoke of at the beginning and listening to build, I think motivation is one of

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the most difficult things to get across to the youngsters of minority background. Uh, we tell them things, but they it's hard to hear that they have better opportunities for advancement. Better opportunities for employment in fields that were closed toe their fathers and their grandfathers. But to

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hear them isn't enough. And so, in many cases, uh, I would think, uh, minority youngsters at an early age give up trying to better themselves into aspire for professions and for skills that they can't see their parents or their neighbors being denied. Can you blame them?

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I like to say that what part of the problem here is full employment? Uh, if there were a expanding labor market, a growing demand for more workers, then way so called marginal workers would of course be accepted into the stream because they were needed. The situation

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becomes particularly difficulties where there is a contracting demand for labor automation itself, which is which is progress nevertheless creates real hardship. We view that this problem is primarily because these people who are unemployed are Senate, more or less in the unskilled and semi skilled bracket of

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labor. That's where automation strikes in court. Now I want to get kind of getting back to build statement about this progress that the trade unions are making in the Bay Area. It seems kind of a rosy statement, Bill. Okay, wait me say a few things very

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briefly way have a state, f, p, C. Law, and although there have been, according to the reports, very few cases filed against unions by people claiming discrimination. The fact is that the law, of course, has an educational impact on employers and unions and employment agencies. In

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addition to its specific case impact, trade union movement supported the enactment of the CPC law and supported the fact that it covers unions as well as employers. Look, there is this, can't you just three? FTP creates a better legal environment as far as equal opportunity is

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concerned, but it does not necessarily create a better moral environment. There are still many subtleties in the labor market right here in San Francisco. When it comes to employing Negroes, there are still unions that discriminate, and there are still employers that discriminate. Of course, this is

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true. I'm not saying this. What we're talking about now is something we mentioned earlier. But I think we need to re emphasize and that is this. Discrimination is a problem not only at the point where a decision is made to hire or to upgrade decision Discrimination

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is a problem with us in this community because of the discrimination which has taken place for a number of years. And for many generations, this discriminatory educational backgrounds of some of our population have made it more difficult for their parents to qualify and more difficult for

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their parents to motivate train. And we, as a community have a responsibility to approach the problem of discrimination and employment, not just within F P C law. FPPC is not enough. And I agree with you completely. But with a total community concern for the upgrading of

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ability for the upgrading of background and training, as well as the upgrading of opportunity you feel you've been doing around here to make a positive effort to try thio e No, but labor. But labor will not invest in any individual unless they have the promise for

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the future. Out of the blue car jobs on the literally e need a PBX operator, a bellboy, one smoking room stored on a back story way. And on the Michigan I need a passenger PR blue cards, please.

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Oh, well, they call a laundry job. There is an assistant laundry on there. Also suspect here. Are there any more blue cards, please Shipping his clothes on the job. Mario smooth e

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don't want to put that out because e got all my money. I e. Okay. Vernon Buckley A classifications registered May 21st the 301 PM Ships smoking room soothe E Need a bar quarter for the President Roosevelt with discharge a fire patrolman on the early

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with discharge to scallions, One quarter red red cards, please. If a nem ploy er really wants to discriminate, that is if he doesn't want to give equal opportunity. He confined a number of ways to try to evade our fair employment practices legislation. I won't go

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into the details. I think it's quite obvious to see that in trying to evaluate whether or not there's been discrimination, you run into a very complex situation. The point I would like to make is, however, that the entire country has got a stake in discrimination in

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employment. There are great resource is of manpower which are not being used in individuals of being frustrated as to their basic rights and opportunities. Consider that your experience has been specialized to date and to get further experience, another types of work, like heavy construction or purely

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boundary surveys, would add to your qualifications as chief. But the certification is not limited to an overall evaluation of all types of work. No man could be expert in all things, but we asked these questions in order to get a new idea of what your experience

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with them. This test is just one factory using evaluation, if you have fronted might not mean like a certification. Some of our best people in the work are unable to do best on examination. So we considered that people very caught a bit in their reaction to

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tests. A sociologist, you know that. But you are to be congratulated on your showing. Are there any other questions by members of E Don't have any, you know? If not, I think we'll excuse you. Bet we'll deliberate some and ask you back. Okay. All right. Let's

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have that on there. I'm not in favor of it without giving them some idea of how we think of the man. Yes, yes, that's three. Yes or no. And that's without any comment. State Farm is there home. That's fine. If I'm sorry we kept you waiting

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long. Yeah, on. I'm afraid I'll have to disappoint you on a decision tonight. The fault of yours We have no doubt that you have ability as a party chief. It's simply a question of degree of experience and some variety. Of course, we have to consider that.

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So we've been unable to reach a decision tonight. Well, the trade union movement is actively involved in the California Division of Apprenticeship Trainings Committee on Minority Opportunities. And in this we have had meetings between the representatives of the Negro community and the representatives of the skilled

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trade, the employer and employee members of the Joint Apprenticeship Councils. These meetings have taken place between many of the skilled trades. A za result. There has been an increase in the number of people who are now apprentices in these trades. Bill. I agree with you that

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we have made solid progress in California regarding equal opportunities for minorities on other people that owe affiliate with label move. I sometimes fear that we placed too much emphasis on the disabilities that involved in seeking employment. I think we over overstress disadvantages rather than advantages because

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there has been progress made. Hello, one denies no one denies the fact of progress. I mean, all the statistics indicate that the Negro has climbed up the economic ladder. He has not, however, climbed in proportion to the two in proportion to the rate of climb of

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the white at the same time, so that we still get back to the same problem. That there are Negroes who are motivated on. There are Negroes who do try and who do work, uh, diligently at finding a job which meets their capacities on. Nevertheless, they do

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run into rejection. They run into rejection by labor unions. They run into rejection by employers. This is a two sided thing. It's all right to emphasize that there is some progress being made. But at the same time, we have to realize that there is still a

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problem when this problem is the vast bulk of unemployed people. One primary fact that we must realize is that labor and management has a soul voluntary privilege to select who they want. Onda, as we seek these surveys way see more stress placed on qualifying, meaning the

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quantification that labor demands. One of the problems which we haven't discussed enough, I think, is the fact that there aren't enough jobs and there aren't enough apprenticeship training opportunities. It seems to me there. Here are No There are not enough training. There is in the collective

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bargaining contracts of this state, there is room for 120 apprentices and we have in the state only 21,000 apprentices. I'm what I'm saying. They're dropping out, right? And what I'm saying is that if we want to develop more opportunities for minority youth as well as other

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youth, we have thio somehow or other, convince employers to employ more apprentices. I need a new assistant sauce cook for the Loreley White cards, please. All right, Jester Moss. Three friends. Your discharge is your spike turns Chester. You got I'm living in the United States. I'm

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doing this together, right? Right. What's it like having your name? There's a valuable right. Chester Chester Moss A classifications registered July 30th at 10 05 Chips of sauce cook assistant sauce cook on the early with