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go out and just dig a site to be digging. We tried to preserve as many sites as possible and we're very active in doing that. Okay. And an indian local indian group says no. Uh, what would be your reaction? And

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my reaction would immediately, I would go along with them. I wouldn't touch the side of the indian groups said no, if they represented the indian community. Absolutely. Well, now has this hampered your work or other archaeologists work because of growing militancy by indian groups? Well, I

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think it has hampered and in some cases, I think the indian community is absolutely right in saying that's my sacred burial ground and we don't want people touching it. I don't cases that have for exhibit a traveling exhibit that I go from schools and schools and

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I got items that tell about the people such as the necklace here, which belonged to my great grandfather and then my mother of course, and then and they picked it clean. And then by afterwards it was, it was placed in the creek chicks inside of those

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and stick them in the oven to keep them warm incubator or some sort. And you'll find that some of the little baskets, they're still having markings and droppings stains from the just all we have. And our people are buried here. And I imagine that's the way

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it is with the rest of the people natives throughout the whole country. It always has happened whenever this country is being formed. Had it not been that these people, you know, rather had that people taking a different route than crossing through burial grounds. There have been

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a lot more peace about the whole land now instead they cut right through, you know, shortcuts. They just wouldn't go around. They just, I like to cut across. We had that. Yeah, I said, well it takes time. It, uh, well we're missing out a lot on

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your people and we should know about it because it's going to be lost. So we got that attitude here again, It's ours like the burial ground. If we feel like it, will, you know, put it down on paper. If not, No, it's ours. Nobody's gonna take

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it away from us. They've taken everything else and this is all we have left and we're not bitter exactly where this came from in place and time. And the students and the archaeologists who dug them up and we also measured hold an actor here or stringing

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around the neck or whatever it is to pave this over with the parking lot of some sort wouldn't that preserve the area? We're going to go through this again. Okay. Just indicates the president of a very large indian village site. Something that's been here for many,

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many years. This was the principal food source for the indians. Then there's a strong possibility that there is an extensive burial ground here. Then that's part and parcel of any indian village site. Probably anywhere in California where the indians live. They also buried their debt and

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and missed the houses there. Mm hmm. And then here you find a coyote skin which was cured by what was it used for in terms of economy. Mhm. You know, if it's going to cost us $80,000 to move a PG and E

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power pole to avoid destruction of the history of the site. You know, it's the law that this is what's supposed to happen. Well, a lot of people, the history of man in California as an example because A man lived here 10,000 years at least before the

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first European came in and he survived and was developing and everything was working on and in the last 200 plus years were suddenly finding out that we can't go another, we can't go another 1000 years of the way we're using the nature so we can learn

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from that words. But too many indians they ring hollow. History has taught them that when it comes down to the white man's economic expansion versus the preservation of indian heritage economics went out for example, long ago archaeologists identified an indian burial ground here in this area

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in south san Francisco. The government went ahead and laid to 80 over it arguing that the cemetery would be preserved under the freeway. Well that may be true, but Indians asked the question, how would the white man like to see his cemeteries buried under tons of

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concrete as the indians see it. That's what it all comes down to getting the larger society to learn to respect indian heritage as much as they respect their own.