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I informed these people that Alcatraz offers the insulation necessary for us to develop intellectual and mhm. The United States government signed with Mexico, and that treaty guarantees all the property rights of Mexican subjects. And the California Indian people who lived along the coast were protected under

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Mexican law in their property rights, so that whether you look at it from the point of view of the original Indian title before the Mexicans came or the Indian title as it passed forward under Mexican rule after 18 48 the Indian title in either case has

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not been extinguished to Alcatraz Island. I can only see that this year meeting here is just on the periphery of Alcatraz. We are still going to stay on Alcatraz, and we have invited them to mhm come over to Alcatraz and talk to the different Indians over

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there. So as we can go into a more lengthy discussion as to what are the real problems over, uh, involved here? We have initiated no steps to remove the Indians off Alcatraz. It's a claim that's based upon several grounds. First of all, a number of Indians

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throughout the United States have the right to appropriate a certain amount of the so called public domain or public property of the United States. Uh, secondly, certain treaties have given certain rights of Indians such as a Su, as I understand it right to appropriate federal abandoned

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federal property. But that's probably the strongest right, from my point of view is that Alcatraz Island is the original property of California Indian people, collectively in California. And the federal government has never acquired title to California Indian property and that property that the federal government still

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holds within the state, which would include Alcatraz. Would it seem to me still have an UN extinguished Indian title? Now the federal government has never paid for. The land has no deeds to land. I mean, you can ask any federal official where is their deed for

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Alcatraz Z and they have nothing. They have no paper to support their cleaned Alcatraz, and now, especially that the federal buildings there are abandoned that is their no longer being used for special purposes. The buildings and all of the other property on Alcatraz revert to the

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original owners of the real estate, which would be in this particular case, the California Indian people. Well, from what you say that, are you prepared to let the Indians remain there for an indefinite period of No, I am not. Well, then you must have a deadline.

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I have not set a deadline. Well, then they can stay there indefinitely. Uh, that's what they tell me.