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funding for Over easy is provided by this and other public television stations and by sun Company. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Over. Easy with host. Jim hearts and mary martin and now here's Jim Hartz. Hello and welcome to Over Easy. Our first

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two guests today have both conducted one of the country's favorite singing ensembles, fred Waring's pennsylvanians. That probably gives you a hint as to who one of them is fred Waring, who's been a leading coral director for more than six decades. The other leader of the pennsylvanians

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is fred's wife, Virginia, who led the group for the first time just about two years ago. And we'll find out why when we welcome them in just a moment and later in the program we're going to meet again with over easy podiatrist dr tim shea who

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has some more great advice for keeping our feet in shape. And finally we'll find out what Geoff Marcy David has for us when it turns out another delicious and simple dish for one or two with the help of the wear rings Fred and Virginia wearing have

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been married for 27 years and throughout that time they've been as popular with each other as the Pennsylvanians have been with the country. It is my pleasure to welcome them. Now Fred and Virgin you eri welcome to ovaries. Thank you fred Good to have you with

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us again. Virginia used for the first time. I want to talk about something happened here a couple of years ago. You had a and a stroke. I assume it's a minor one because you look like you're going strong now. I struck out one pitch. What happened,

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I really don't know, I just Lehman was leaning over and kept falling. He was actually was, well, we spend our time between his tours in, in Palm Springs and he was there for arrest and he just suddenly keeled over. Well, the part we want to get

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too since he's recovered so nicely Is that you had, as I understand it, a 12 week concert tour booked and had to go and you couldn't make it in Virginia filled in. What was that like to conduct the pennsylvanians? Once I realized that he wasn't going

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to be able to tour for a while, it suddenly hit me that there were 33 people who would have been out of work And uh, there were 12 weeks booked and you know what that means, one night stands, all those theaters all over the country And

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worst of all his tradition of 65 years would have been down the drain. So I timidly offered my services and by the time I got back east, I only had a day and a half. And although I had been a concert pianist, I had never conducted

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and I had never watched him, I had been doing all my other things all those years, you see. So it was not easy. I often think about it now and I think the reason I was able to do it was the fact that I was thinking

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of those other people also, I realized too, um, I had a few things going for me that I hadn't, that had sort of prepared me. I'm a graduate of a woman's college, Mills College and somehow they sent me out of there with the feeling that this

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was a long time ago that you can do just about whatever you want to do and sure get married, have Children, but don't just sit there and all the years that we've been married, I've been doing all sorts of things, accepting challenges, etcetera. The other thing

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is, you cannot be a concert pianist and get up on the stage and fall apart. So, and the fact that I was a musician, I did have some of the things in my ear, but people thought that I had been going all these 25 years On

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the road with him, which I didn't do. So I didn't know the routine of the show and he has about 50 songs and they go look at his split, you see, so that was the hardest part. What was the reaction to the, to the pennsylvanians, the

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choir to never forget when I turned around to conduct them there eyes, we're just bugging out, you know, because they didn't know what I was going to do and I didn't either really, my ear knew, but I didn't know what to do, how to get that

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sound fred, what did you think when you finally saw her conduct? Well, it was weeks later they came out the tour took him down through florida through texts and they finally wound up in phoenix. So I was able then to get to phoenix, I heard her

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performing at the sun dome there, 14,500 senior citizens had assembled and I got into the back of the arena and watched and I was, I was just bowled over. I couldn't believe it how well she was doing and how wonderfully the audience was responding. I felt

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like a very unnecessary lurker there, But she invited me on stage and I did conduct one number. I want to talk to you about something else. You've been conducting coral workshops back since 1947. When did all that begin and why? And tell me a little bit

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about the background. How much time have we jim? Well, a few minutes, but it did start in 47 actually, it began because we were coerced into it. Our system of seeing had cut on obviously as reports indicated through the radio channels and a group of high

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school music teachers had written to a request permission to attend our rehearsals during their christmas holiday to see if they could learn a little bit more about it and maybe go back home with a few of our arrangements. Well, I was prevailed upon by one of

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my staff members who was editor of the Music Journal, which I had owned and by the time it, the date arrived, 300 school teachers had arrived in new york to attend our rehearsals and NBC did not have the time with the space. So we went and

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engaged in the Astra Hotel ballroom, took our rehearsals over there and it was going pretty well. We were trying to show them our systems and I thought it would be nice to have somebody else come over and help me out. So I invited Irving Berlin and

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Dick Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein to drop in and just say hello to make these people feel good. They came and spent three or 4 sessions with them. Must have made him feel extent. They just felt marvelous. Well they went home after they had made certain that

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they could get our arrangement of the battle him at least. So we had a xerox for them. Then they prevail upon us to publish it. We're, we're about that we found that the charlie Press publishing company and that was the first number. By the way, Irving

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Berlin and Dick Rogers. Oh gave us the rights to many of their songs to publish in coral form to help help us get started. Now you've expanded it from music teachers to college and high school. We had the, we continue to have the workshops in the

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summers at Shawnee three, in fact, we had 1000 every summer For about 20 summers and I got a little bit tired, tried to impress music teachers with new ideas which were not in textbooks so I decided to have youth come in and we invited high school

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choirs from the vicinity to come. I would spend 15 minutes teaching them one of our complicated arrangements and they would sing it And it flabbergasted the teachers who could not learn it in three or 4 days. So the following year we started having just youth to

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a workshop alternating with the seniors and that's been going on ever since for me, you've had given me a marvelous inspiration fred you've been at this for 60 years now. What what do you think or maybe Virginia, you ought to answer this if he, I don't

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know whether he can be objective but better not what's been the secret of his success and the choir success. Do you think? Well I would say that that I discovered that the english language is the most beautiful language singing language that I have ever known. I

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know that other countries love their sounds but we cannot understand the languages of the other countries and I don't think that we should try to sing other languages here in America, we should sing our own beautiful language. We discovered that sounds within our language are so

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beautiful when sung? Well they do not compare, we teach our kids to learn to sing the song, not the music, Not the words but the combination of the two and I remember that the songwriters went through a lot of trouble to make beautiful words and beautiful

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music and they blended them together into without the use of the waring blender, by the way they blended together in the song. And the song was written for one purpose to sing. You can't whistle the song, you can whistle the melody is hearing and and singing,

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we sing those and we divide all those songs and sing them. Let me ask one final question I would ask, You've gone back to to concert piano playing again, haven't you? What's that been like? Well it was not easy after 25 years and stein way used

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to give us I was part of a piano team and they gave us pianos for years. So after 25 years I called up by the way it was the best piano team you ever heard Marlene to your heart? I called up Steinway concert division and I

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timidly said who I was and who I had been. And So pretty soon the phone rang and it was a Mr Rubin who had been middle way in the concert division and he called up and he said uh I asked how much it would cost to

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take a $30,000 grand out and he said I think you worded it badly, when do you want it? So that made me nice, it made it easier because it's almost impossible to get up and play a difficult piece cold as I had to do. You know?

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Listen, I want to thank the two of you for being here with us today and and sharing parts of your lives and and telling us more about the pennsylvanians and virginians. Thank you. Look forward to your next visit. We're very proud to be here, mm hmm.

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You know, with all the concerns that come with modern life, it's easy to forget. one of our most important physical assets is our feet until that is our feet start reminding us of all the work they do for us. Well, dr tim shea is a regular

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visitor here on over. Easy and it's always a pleasure to welcome him and his expert advice on foot care, tim Welcome back again. Door Easy. Thank you very much. Jim. Well, let me start out with a couple of questions. A lot of people when they stand

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on their feet all day or maybe if they get a little older or ankles swell up at the end of the day, what causes that? And what can we do about it? Well, first of all, there is a natural amount of swelling that everyone has after

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standing or walking for a period of time. But this usually goes down at the end of the day and doesn't cause a lot of pain or discomfort. Unfortunately, as we do get older, our feet don't have the same flexibility or the ability to get rid of

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the swelling as it did in the past. And I have a little model here of some of the changes which go on. Now, these changes affect what we call the muscle pump activity of the foot and that is the fluid and the body, the circulation is

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getting down into the feet, but we have to be able to get it back out of our feet and it back into the circulation towards the heart. And this muscle pump activity is made up of the muscles of the foot, the bones and joints of the

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foot and the tendons and the muscles of the legs that come down and insert into the foot when the foot, like in this particular case has flattened out or it's not as flexible as I've been in the past. Then we lose this pump activity. The feet

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get very stiff, they swell, the ankles swell and of course it's very painful to wear it inside shoes and it gets to be pretty uncomfortable at the end of the day. So what do we do? Well, there's a couple of easy things that we can do

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to just help ourselves along, first of all, at the end of the day, a real good idea is what we call a foot soak. Now, everyone's pretty familiar with the poster that has the person with their feet in a pail, a bucket of water with my,

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oh my aching feet. But what we're talking about here is a specific kind of so called a contrast foot soak and what that means is that you take some warm water lukewarm water and soak your feet in it for about eight minutes or so and then

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soak it in some cool water for about one or two minutes. And what this does is the warm water loosens the foot up and increases the circulation and the cool water tightens up the muscles and gets the pumping action going. Now in addition to that we

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have some exercises that we can do and I have some pillows here that we're going to practice with. Now, normally we would be doing these exercises by lying down on a couch or flat and having the feet at least above the level of the waist or

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the level of the heart. There should be one pillow underneath the knee and two underneath the foot so that it's elevated. There's some simple stretching exercises that we can work with. And the first one is an easy one and that is to simply move the foot

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Up and down up and down and to stretch it and you can actually start to feel the muscles stretching and pulling in the legs now little by little. This will ease up and gradually relax and once it does after about 10 times we then can take

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the foot and we can do circular, we can go round and round and round with it drawing little circles and little by little that also will loosen up the foot and then finally at the very end we can just hold our feet up and then pretend

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with our toes that we're going to pick up something like pencils and we can kind of, you know, scrunch them down like this towards the ground. Now this helps to flex the foot, get the muscles of the foot working and helps to relax it and get

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the pumps working again to okay A lot of times it it seems to help if you just sort of massage your feet. Any special techniques that we should use. Well there's two kinds of muscle massage that we can use and we can show them here and

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they're called soft and deep massage. The first kind of soft massage and that's done with the fingers and we start here on the bottom of the foot with the fingertips, usually the fat pad of the finger tips right up under the ball near the toes. And

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gently massage in sort of like running our fingers along the bottom of our foot back towards the heels. And you can see that feels pretty good. It relaxes the foot After doing this for a few minutes we can do what's called deep massage and deep massages

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where we take the palm of our hand, the sort of fatty part of the palm of our hand and we put it into the ball of our foot. And this time we push and we push harder and deeper into the foot and this, you can actually

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feel it stimulating those deep muscles and relaxing the foot. And these two massages together for about five minutes each time will help to relax the foot and get it working properly again. Okay? You've talked about exercise, exercising the foot before on the show. Why is walking

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so important for healthy feet? Well, there's two major reasons why walking is important. First of all, it's our natural mode of transportation and it's gotten us around for millions of years. And secondly, nowadays a great deal of physicians are prescribing walking as a form of exercise

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for people with certain medical conditions such as high blood pressure arthritis, after having heart surgery after having hip surgery. They actually want their patients to get up and get walking again and this helps to get rid of the depression and the psychological letdown that can happen

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after having these medical conditions. Now, what happens here is the person should always check with their physician first, make sure that they're in good shape and set out a set program that each day, little by little they increased the amount of walking, always achieving a goal

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and eventually it's amazing the effect that it has on the body to get you back in shape again. Uh What kind of shoes should we be thinking about? Well, I have some shoes with me here to kind of show you basically a good walking shoe is

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the same thing as a good running shoe and can be purchased for most people in a standard shoe store. What we're looking for is a shoe which has a rubber soled bottom to it, which provides for cushion and support as well. It's usually made of a

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canvas upper material and it's soft with a rounded toe and what we call a firm hell to hold the heel in the shoe and it should fit the foot comfortably. One thing I recommend is that when people test these shoes out, one thing they should do

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is that when they put the shoe on, they should lean up on the ball of their feet and that is find out where the shoe bends in relationship to the foot and it should bend where the toes bend. Now, if this all fits comfortably and it

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works well, this is an excellent shoe for some people. However, this shoe may not provide enough support and their podiatrist or other person who's helping to take care of them can prescribe and dispense what's called an orthotic. An orthotic is made from a cast mold of

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their foot and provides that extra bit of comfort and support that they need. This is custom made per person. Now, some people can't buy regular shoes and I'm gonna just sit that over there and I have here a pair especially made walking shoes and that's the

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men's and this is the woman's model. And as you can see, the key thing here is all the same features are built into a nice, good looking shoe, but it's very lightweight, very, very just a few ounces comfortable shoe. And and these have built into them

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a removable soft inner soul for people that have, say, arthritic feet or stiff feet or circulation impaired feet, they can wear these and not have problems with irritation. Okay, final question, I always ask what I sometimes think is the stupid question, Does socks make a difference?

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Well, socks make a great deal of difference. And it is interesting that usually the last question that we talk about is the first thing we put on our feet. We recommend that most people were white Cotton socks. Now it's pretty difficult. 100% cotton. So instead we

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recommend at least 65 or 80% cotton, and this should be and of course in the winter of wool socks would be a good idea. The reason for this is that the natural material helps to decrease the friction inside the shoe, helps to absorb the moisture that

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is provided by the shoe and then helps to separate out the foot so it keeps it nice and cool and dry and flexible and overall feels like a great experience to get out and walk tim Shea thank you so much for being with us again and

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offering a sound advice about foot care if you'd like more information about the benefits of walking and how to walk comfortably. You can write to this address. Walking slash over easy 10 17 grand boulevard Deer park new york zip 117 to 9 again. That is walking

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slash over easy 10 17 grand boulevard Deer park new york 117 to 9. Well, Chef Darcy David is here again with a recipe that sounds exotic, but that Narseal assures me is as easy and inexpensive as ever. It's a recipe for rock cornish game hen. And

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here with darcy are too handy. Helpers spread and Virginia wearing Marcy. Thanks jim. You know this really is a simple recipe and rock cornish hens I think far too often are just stuffed in the cavity. The way you normally would a turkey. Well it's so small

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and opening that it never seems to to cook the dressing and develop the flavors nicely. So we're going to try a different trick by just stuffing it under the skin. I'll show you in a minute. Let me go through the items. We're going to use one

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rock cornish game hen and they should weigh from a pound and a quarter to a pound and a half a teaspoon of oil, a small zucchini, half a small onion, a couple of cloves of garlic. Oh a half teaspoon of tarragon. Just a pinch of salt.

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About two t two tablespoons that is two large tablespoons of grated cheese and two teaspoons of lemon juice. Did I hear some os over there while I was doing the behind you? Uh Well then it looks like I'm gonna get stuck chopping the head yet. If

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that's how he feels about the onion, maybe I could get you to shred the zucchini waring blender. Listen I'm gonna be in trouble before I've even started, would you grate that? And I think I will chop the onion maybe. I'm surprised he's even standing here. Why

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don't you pass the oil down to him And if we could get you to light the stove and put a teaspoon of oil in it will be ready to go here in just a minute light the stove how just turn the let's usually, yeah there we

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go. That's all it needs. If you'll put in a teaspoon of oil we'll have this ready to put in there in a minute. Teaspoon of oil in this pan. Right please. I'm surprised he's even standing behind the crack case you better use another one. That was

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an awfully small spoon. We don't want to have this stick too much to the pan. Listen this makes quite a production here. That's planet. Yeah. What we want to do is just sort of um Saute the squash and the onions and garlic long enough to I've

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put the onion out of plate. Listen maybe you could just let them have the plate you know, in my family. Onions and garlic are like candy. That's, that's your, your family. Let me get this in there too. Um onions and garlic. Just give us so much

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flavor. I think it's important for you could put that into it. It's important for it to be well cooked. You don't want that harsh pungent quality of the raw onion. We put some in when he doesn't know about it. But if it simmers long enough, you

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get a really lovely sweetness. Onion cooks up very, very sweet. I'm gonna be in trouble here if I don't watch out. I can see that now that's gonna take about five minutes for that too evaporate. We need about a half teaspoon of tarragon leaves, you can

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pour it out into your hand a little more than that. Tarragon is such a nice flavor. We could put in about that much more. Again, good, that's great carry gun, That's me. That's plenty of salt. You'll find that we use very little salt on our recipes

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on over easy and I have some substitutes. They're gonna laugh at this because I don't cook, you know, I carry my salt substitute here, wait till you taste this when we're finished. We're going to use some lemon juice to heighten the flavors and it's amazing how

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how far that goes in. Um and covering the need for salt. Okay, now I have one that we cooked a while ago and cooled off that poor old pigeon over there, why don't we just put that one aside to simmer and then if you would add

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two tablespoons of cheese to that and stir it in, I'm going to cut this cornish hen. A pair of poultry shares really works quite easily. You could just snip it right down the center of the back and then if you'll notice this little cartilage bone, cut

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that bone and when you pop it up the keel bone just lifts right out of there and you'll see why it's kiel, the kiel bone kiel is right now, turn it over and you want to very gently loosen the skin without tearing it. And it's just

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a matter of sliding your your finger under the skin to loosen all that. You may need to cut it just a bit in the center, but be particularly careful that you don't cut the skin. Don't cut your finger, don't do that either. Now we need about

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two teaspoons of lemon juice in that. That's pretty close if you'll stir that in. What we want to do now is stuff would you like to help stuff this in? No thanks. Ok, well, why don't you spoon it into here and I will just. That's good

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just put it in like that and we want to slide this down under the skin. That's good. Well, no, it'll take all of it because this is going to be a dinner for two people and it, you'll be surprised at how neatly this roasts and cooks

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up in here. Now if by any chance you have a tear in the skin, you could sew it up with a little needle and thread. We we did the job correctly here I think and there are no tears in it. So just need to tuck that

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skin under, sort of squish it out to get the dressing smooth. And this bakes for 45 minutes at a 3 50 to 3 75 oven. Let's review the recipe and then I've got one. I'd like you to taste. Saute in a teaspoon of oil, a cup

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of shredded zucchini, half a small onion, chopped two cloves of garlic and a half teaspoon of tarragon with just a pinch of salt as soon as the liquid evaporates, set it aside to cool And then stir in two tablespoons of Parmesan And two teaspoons of lemon

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juice. Cut through the back center of a 22 ounce game hen and remove the keel bone, then flatten the hen, put the breast side up, loosen the skin and spoon in the stuffing, Tuck the next skin under and so it if necessary, smooth it out and

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roast at 375 for 45 minutes. Here's what it looks like completely roasted. You want to just simply cut it in half and you can see the stuffing nicely there. We pass it over to our tasting area. I want the man who doesn't care too much for

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garlic. Give him a taste after seeing that poor foul up that way. I wouldn't touch it. You gotta try a little of this. No thanks. I smell it Virginia. Alright dave, you're wonderful. Thank you. I don't know that if we can't get you to taste it

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I'm not gonna force him but I'm gonna try enjoy it. Great. Thank you. We don't know what you're missing bread Virginia. Thank you very much. Jim. I want to say one thing. My workshop is the most satisfying professional thing I've ever done in all my life.

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Thank you. And it's good to have you with us. NRC. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you for joining us on over. Easy. We'll see you next time. Okay? Mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm mm hmm mm hmm mm hmm. Yeah.

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Yeah. Mm hmm, mm hmm. Mhm mm hmm. Mhm mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah, mm hmm.