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mhm. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm mhm. Mhm, mm. Mhm mm. Over Easy with host. Jim hearts and mary martin. Thank you. Hello and welcome. Two over Easy. You know, mary the next few months are going to be filled with a lot of pleasant

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surprises here. On Over Easy. I think one of the most pleasant surprises for me was discovering who our guests would be today. There are two of my favorite people in the world. In fact, I think there are two of everybody's favorite people, James and Gloria Stuart.

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Absolutely. James and Gloria will be here today to discuss a number of things, including a subject that's dear to our hearts here. Over Easy and that is how to maintain a sense of self confidence and self worth as we grow older. Let me in on the

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secret. Would you mind on that secret? Just a minute, James and Gloria Stuart are one of Hollywood's most admired and respected couples who have won the love and admiration of people all over the world. Their marriage has been one of the most successful in the history

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of Hollywood rivals. Only by James is long running career is one of the finest stars of american film. In fact, it's hard to remember James Stewart film that didn't become a classic like harvey and Destry rides again and many more and here's one of the finest

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funniest scenes from the philadelphia story. It reveals James not just as a brilliant actor, but as a pretty good troubadour as well. Come to me. But um The lady who won James Harden that scene was Katharine Hepburn. The lady who won his heart in his real

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life is Gloria, his wife of 32 years. Please welcome James and Gloria Stuart. Mhm Yeah. Okay, Okay, mm hmm. Jimmy, welcome welcome. I just don't believe that we're finally working together. This is the happiest period I can think of in my lifetime, don't you? Aren't you?

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Absolutely. I've known as most of these people haven't admired this man for so long. That is finally a real distinct pleasure and honor to get to meet you and to have you with us. It's nice and it's so nice to see mary again, it's been too

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long. It's been many, many years and to suddenly have you here and being able to ask you really some questions about your life. Do you still have your place in Brazil? I do Gloria. I have it. I have it still and I've had it for 27

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years. I know it's been a long time. Maybe you'll visit me there. So I would like to wonderful James, great american actors is everyone knows, but Gloria is as a busy wife and mother. Both of you are very, very active. Tell me about your activities glory.

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I would just love to know because you really you've just won a prize. Oh, the mother of the year. Yes. Well yeah. Very anybody. It's not hard to be a mother. We all know what to be the mother of the year. Your Children have to be

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awfully grand. So it's really the Children who should get the, what was the Children? Do you have a reaction from one of the Children? Oh they thought it was great miscasting actually way you have twins, kelly said some what's she saying the letter? But she, she

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said dear Dad and your do gooder wife. I love it. One organization that I know you're both involved with is the African Wildlife Leadership Foundation, how did your interest in wildlife begin by going on safari? Really just our first trip to Africa, everything was just so

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glorious and so much better than I had. Even then you start to get respect for the animals when you keep going back and figure they need a chance on earth. Just as much as we do. Did you take the Children twins with you the first time?

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Not the first time took them the first time in 1965 when the twins were 14. Because aren't they involved with it? Yes. Uh judy worked in Tanzania for three years. She's here today. And uh kelly or twin sister is she? And her husband are the directors

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of the caress, Okey Research Center in Rwanda where the mountain gorillas, this type lives. Oh marvelous. And she lives in a tin hut really. And with the guerrillas and spends her time, you know, we don't know, it's a 10 hut. She won't tell us. What kind

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of uh did she say it was a hut? It's a kind of a hut. I've seen pictures of this has been going on for a long time. Has this common interest that you share with your Children brought you closer together as a family, you know? Sure.

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Sure. But I think Gloria was responsible for the wildlife is concerned. I think Gloria was. Gloria was sort of interested in that. And long before we went to Africa. I can tell this but a minute I'm married it she she has this feeling for the I

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knew it the minute I I met her dog when we were courting she somehow just she she treated a dog different than most people do and the dog behaved different than most people dogs do. She apparently has treated you differently than most wives didn't mom? I'd

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settle for the way she treats dog. You should have it so good. No. Uh huh. Let's talk about that for a minute. You the two of you been married for 32 years which in Hollywood I think is a bit unusual. Uh Maybe some couples have but

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newspaper headlines are always full of the divorces of Hollywood stars and their feuds are public. And what's that then? The secret Do you think of your the longevity of your marriage and the freshness? The two of you show? I think a lot of its look I

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mean I mean I know it's art lasted because jimmy is such a nice person. And if you're married to a really nice person, you really can't help but become nice yourself. Well now Gloria I think you started out that way. No, not half as nice as

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he was. That was much more selfish. Really? No, no, no. And when Oh shut up I'm talking. that's why it's plastic. But I say shut up! I'm trying to figure out how to top that. I am going Well while you're thinking I want to ask you

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about something else too. And then you come back to that you've had such a remarkable the keeping friends because you've had josh Logan is a friend forever and so have I and so and hank fonda and you have many friends. This is an art in our

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world today I think because we all are so busy and not not just friends in our business but you keep all your friends how how have you done that back keeping in touch with him because it it takes a bit of doing you know. Yeah and

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you do that jimmy. Well I know I I think part of it is sort of a mutual thing. If you talk to josh he would he would I think say the same thing or hank it's a it's a I think the that time that we were

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getting started in the theater and then the university players and everything that, that this was a crowd that stayed together forever and you can start in again if you haven't seen each other for months, you can always go right back where you started. We I can

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with my friends in texas. Absolutely. You can you can be away for a part for a year or so and when you get back your tech right up like you've just seen him the day before. But I think as people get older and I'm one of

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them, your friends sort of dwindled down that you can really see and talk to all the time because you really can't keep up with everybody also they die off. We'll get to be a certain well, I was going to bring that up once. I said to

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Noel coward, how is so and so he's gone. And I said, he asked me something and I said, well, we're not here, Not next. When he said gone, he said gone. He went on like this forever. Finally, I said, this is so depressing. Let's don't talk.

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He said, all I ever say to any of my friends anymore, just get through dinner deal. Let me ask you all of you marry Youtube related question. A psychiatrist that we consulted in putting together today's broadcast has written something I'd like to share. He said, people

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do suffer many losses and when a loss occurs at any age, there is a temporary loss of self esteem. But the majority of older people have an advantage when he or she loses someone because the person has already lived through so many different disappointments during the

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early years and during the middle life that they can move readily and come to accept these losses more than a younger friend. Um mm None of you are strangers to loss. Do those words ring true in your experience? Jimmy. Yes, I think so. I think that

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you're uh if you do it, but I I think it's right if you become acquainted with laws because it's an inevitable thing and if you've got to live with it and if you don't try to to shirk away from it and to wipe it out and

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not. But if you if you face it and accept it, I think that's your you're doing something constructive for your life and for your friends and everybody. That's right. I couldn't agree with you more. Do you feel that way too? Oh yes. Just so you don't

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make other people suffer? Your suffering? That's right. People get so selfish about a loss I think. Well, I think that certainly one I've had that same thing in my life with my richard and it is he used to use the word don't indulge in sadness. He

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said that's about other people. It's an indulgence in self indulgence. I think the biggest step that is that happened to me was the insecurity without richard, I would think that would be and uh and the difficulty to ever get over that has taken a rather long

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time and it's why I've done so many things, you know, keep busy as busy as I possibly can. But Also it isn't it's a slight fear of being going out into the world alone again after 34, it certainly thinks but Mary you at least had a

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career to go on. But think of the women who, that's what I mean and and this is wonderful. This is what I would want to know. What you think about people who don't have a career. What what do you think they should do about it? I

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wouldn't have the slightest idea. I just hope it doesn't happen to me. No, but I met other people like like who do not have a I don't know. I wouldn't know how to give anybody advice if it hadn't already happened to him. That's right. But I

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think it still depends on growing with growing to accept this type of thing because loss various kinds of loss occurred all through your life. Absolutely. You can give advice about losing a husband. I could give advice about losing a son, which I just did two mall

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Mylan recently And she called me because of that one reason. Fine with advice of something I've gone through. But if I haven't gone through it, I wouldn't know how to, you don't know how to deal with it until it happens. I suppose everyone has to let

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me take another subject rejection and criticism that happens to everybody but jimmy and your profession, it's always so public. What sometimes the critic may write something, it may be terribly unfair maybe on the mark, but you have to endure it in the newspapers and television and

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so on. How did you learn to cope with your public critics? Well, as a matter of fact from, from the very beginning, uh, looking over it now from the very beginning I would put a plus sign with the critics more than a minus sign because I

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really think that I learned from the critics and I could pick out sort of specific places were they emphasize something about a performance or something about the way I uh appeared. By the way I did the character. That made sense. I mean when you come right

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down toward uh with a lot of exceptions of course this this is really their their business, this is really their businesses to look at a movie or a play or a television to look and not only give their opinion, but give people who are going to

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see it, give the audience an idea of what to expect and not only story wise, but what what feeling they would get from from the you never felt threatened as an actor by what a critic would say about in a way. And I threatened uh in

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in a way he could say well if he doesn't stop hamming and han and uh flubbing his words and everything, he's gonna be in big trouble that critics finished. You understand? We all should have so much trouble. That brings me to a final point. I'd like

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to ask you jimmy, you you've had a a tremendous success in a full life. A lot of people who watch however, do not. I have not been able to obtain the same things that you have and and may not have the same comforts. I wonder if

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you ever think about, had you done something different in life if you're going on and been an architect, for example, would you be the same person that you are today? The same character do you think? I think so. Same strength. I think so. One reason for

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saying that something that one of a great many things that I'm grateful to my father I got when I was very young, I got this idea of, I don't know what do you call it, the work ethic, whatever it is, my father worked hard all his

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life and he believed in that and he made me believe it when I was very young and I'm very grateful to him for that hard work means and has always meant that would have been part of you. Something no matter was something very, very important to

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me. And I think if it had been something else, I don't know lots of times I think probably I've been in in the airplane business of some kind. But I the work part that work is a tremendously important thing in a man's life. And I was

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taught that when I was very young and I never forgot it. You can't yeah, jimmy. It seemed to me that he embodied the very things that you were, We're saying just before we do anything. I want you to play his life story. Wouldn't that be wonderful?

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Then you could go out there and sing my favorite song which I'm not asking you to sing but I've heard it and it's just the end. It's so divine. It's called the Red Red Robin and someday I'm going to get him to come back and do

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because it will take 2.5 hours from the second. Not as biggie. Actually it isn't it's one I love. I've heard him do it and he's just marvelous. Just marvelous too. We want that reminds me of old Truman. Remember the man who died in their ST helens?

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Yeah. Same kind of rugged yes, it's rugged strength. One final question to you, Gloria, living in with a man who is so famous, has that overshadowed your life in any way. Do you think he's not famous at home? Uh huh. No he never acts like he's

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famous so you know it's been the I couldn't be more grateful, get good treatment at airports. All that sort of glory has been so busy all day. She's got the the W LF. She's in the board of directors of the Los Angeles uh Zoo. She's on

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the border directors of the Museum of Natural History in Los Angeles. She's uh busy, busy all the time but not uh she doesn't behave as though this is the only thing she had to do and she's got to be be at a meeting or I've never

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been at a meeting with. Yes I have as I have forgotten shape. I think she's a good executive type but she doesn't she doesn't over overstep perfectly precipitated the first quarrel. And this happened in India and not a chief James and Gloria. It's just been a

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thrill and honor to have you with us today. Well bless your heart mary. Really come back another time at the school. You don't have to. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. And we're so long. That's our show for today, join us again soon for now. So long from mary

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and me and all of us here on over easy. Mhm. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm mm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Funding for this program was provided by public television stations, Son Company Incorporated and Colonial Penn Insurance Group. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm.