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those brothers were transporting personnel from San Francisco over to Oakland because we're like, Bobby mentioned earlier that we were having a retreat on that We're having a classes. Political education classes down 27th and west of ST Augustine Church. That's where they were heading yesterday.

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I was in Santa Barbara and conspiracy party power structure. Try to wipe out the Black Panther Party. A retreat members throughout the nation some 35 before the chapter being held since Saturday. Here in open. And I'm gonna turn you over to chief of staff. He was

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here on duty at the time. In fact, just said flat or something. Do you remember the Black Panther Party? Happy? Thank you. Keep. Yes, I got the report, Uh, sometime after noon. And I can't go into detail because I myself I wasn't there. I was here

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at this office is about mentors. But I just got a phone call from our communications Secretary Secretary Kathleen Cleaver saying that Mary Leo Toe had asked the grand jury Thio, move toe have ah, grand jury, uh, indictment on investigation of the Black Panther Party. So naturally

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we feel that this is just a conspiracy of the two ethnic groups are involved in the oppression of black people. At this stage on, uh, it's by time that we begin thio call names to begin to identify people in the correct terminology. It's time that we

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call a spade a spade, uh, in African and African and Irishmen, Irishmen on Italian and Italian. So we feel that the Italians uhh that Mafioso Ali Atto along with Chief Cahill, that Irishman, that they're conspiring to move to try to eradicate ship of the Black Panther

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Party on. We feel that, uh, that this is all, uh, uh leading up to the incident that went down yesterday and that if they're conspiring, if they're getting together, they have grand jury, uh, investigation on the leadership of the Black Panther Party. Then I say that

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we're prepared Thio answer questions or were prepared toe defend the party by whatever means necessary. Uh, David, even the open police this morning, we're not willing to say or even mentioned the word black Panther in connection with what happened yesterday, which seems to lead Thio the

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possibility that maybe they weren't black panthers. Are you saying they were? I don't understand what you said? Well, there was nobody yet has confirmed that the people involved in yesterday's incident in San Francisco were black panthers at all mhm saying that they were black. Are you

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saying that they were I'm most definitely saying that they were Black Panthers. Right, Captain Holiday Bill Brandt. They're all known panthers on this. Gives us more validity toe qualify. My, uh, contentions that they're moving conspiratorially to attract eradicate the leadership of the party. I'm sure the

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Chief Cahill and Mary Lil Tau, we're also aware that they were black Panthers. They were riding around in the Black Panther truck, which is very obvious. That might have just been too coincidental that somebody tried to represent themselves as party members just flagrantly drove her on

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in the truck. Is this here is that Bob was not involved, etcetera? This five of that three is absurd because it was a simple attempt Tryto wipeouts, um, leadership of the Black Panther Party. The leadership of all the branches of the Black Panther Party across this

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nation are here, in fact, in Oakland holding a treat and political education classes to understand the plight of the black liberation struggle on how to move to defend black people so we could survive. Now the these two ethnic groups, specific ones in this area in San

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Francisco are in fact trying to wipe us out as to who's this and who's that is only lies and conspiratorial bullcrap on the part of the police department. They have got misquotes. They've got comments that they don't wanna make concerns, said Persons who supposed to identify

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these people. They will not even put this out to the press. Etcetera were staying. And we understand exactly how the power structures moving to try to destroy the Black Panther Party leadership of it especially. Were any of those people officers in the Black Panthers? Yes, Captain

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Bill Brent. Yes, Captain Holiday? Yes. What police charge is this going? You feel this thing was just the reason they gave right? I'm Virtual Morales, distribution manager of the Black Panther Party. I also hold the rank of major within the Black Panther Party. I'm due to

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report for induction tomorrow morning for being purposes being drafted into the United States Army Point number six of Black Panther, 10 point platform and program states that way Want all black men to be exempt from military service is, we believe, that all black people should not

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be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us, will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like black people, are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We'll protect ourselves from

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the forest and violence of the racist police and the racist military by whatever means necessary. If this racist, ethnocentric and pluralistic dog forces me to go, I have no other choice other than to sabotage your arsenal and two armed black people to use against its racist

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power structure to defend themselves. So the decision is theirs to make. That's it. Have a Leo dough, Mr Chairman, Honorable. Just to tell so many of you who might call this summer

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thank you for providing jobs for so many members off minority to believe the San Francisco can be the very first major American city to say in the matter of maybe 10 to 15 years that the problem is behind it. Not that there aren't always gonna be

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troubles. We thought we had troubles for example, in a labor capital confrontation or a labor management confrontation. And there were those who fed a philosophy of some world credence that the two were irreconcilable and incompatible, that the final analysis they couldn't possibly get together. We know

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now that we have the solutions to put that behind us. That the two are not reconcilable incompatible that through a device that we call collective bargaining, the two can cooperate together to produce economic development that gives us the highest standard of living in the world has

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ever known. Now, in that same sense, I am confident that we're going to be able to put behind us a matter of the ghetto along the way. We ought not to be afraid to make a distinction between those blacks who are cooperating in attempting to raise

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the level of social justice and those blacks who are Racists and therefore should be condemned just as strongly as white Racists. There is no distinction between a black racist and the white racist. They argue for the same type of thing, and there's no reason why we

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can't single out those who are racist, whether black or white, and attack them for the evils that they attempt to promulgate. And so I come to talk to you about two matters. And here again, I suggest that the great service of lawyers is their ability to

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make distinctions. Let's talk, first of all, about San Francisco. So that's the situation in San Francisco state now. What's unfortunate about it is that the Murray case gets all wrapped up in it. On the Murray case is a relatively simple thing. If indeed, Murray said to

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those students, Bring your guns on campus on Tuesday. If indeed, he said that that constitutes an exhortation to commit a criminal offenses because there's a state law which prohibits the possession of guns on campus. If indeed he said that, and that ought to be established relatively

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easy, then the discipline should follow. And the disciplinary proceeding was well in motion when Murray was ordered. I think improvidently by the Board of Trustees toe act hastily instead of the three day period that had been requested by the president of the college and by me

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because of the what we thought might be police problems. But it's that simple now. If Murray also said agree with the demands for black curriculum. Most of us in government had tried to have tried to use it in our public school system, where we think that

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there ought to be a system whereby those of African American descent know something about their heritage, something about the greatness of their heritage, something about the contributions their men have made to this wonderful complex that we call America. There are those who believe in black curriculum

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in San Francisco. We have exhorted those in the ghetto areas to form their own. Many boards informal many boards of education in which they look at their curriculum at which they look at their teachers, make suggestions about what they would like Toa have in those schools,

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transmit those suggestions to the mayor's office and then let the mayor and effect be a lobbyist for them before the Board of Education. Because the mayor's office is, you know, under the law does not control the educational policy in San Francisco. We can only make representations

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to that board interest. Yesterday we had a very unfortunate affair. Yesterday, according to the allegations, these are cases in court now we're going to comment within the prohibitions which the courts have laid down for public comment. But yesterday, according to the allegation, there was a hold

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up in the service station service station. People got the license number transmitted to the police. The police spotted the license number and a rather conspicuous car. Hail the card. That's people to shoot policeman, whether or not starting from an empirical fact. Namely, the eight cases we

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are talking about at the present time and grand jury investigation is not warranted into the question as to whether there hasn't been a conspiracy to commit murder within well established legal principles. But he's asking for any extension of illegal principles or any imaginative look at the

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law. Nobody's asking for any theory, rather any examination into the theory or the political views of any group of people or any party. Nobody's asking that we're starting out with the fact that you have eight people who were involved in the shooting of policemen, members of

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an organization which has exhorted, exhorted people in the past in public, in certainly Orel statements that slave masters so called should be shocked. This is the way Mr Murray has has expressed it well, that slave masters should be killed, enslaved Masters officers that are unrecognized, their

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circumstances of self defense by the law itself. I wonder if we haven't arrived at that point where the organization that carries on this kind of a concerted campaign with young man who more off who not more often than not, but in a great number of instances

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are under the influence of narcotics. I wonder if this kind of exhortation upon this type of person who uses narcotics doesn't constitute in any ordinary sense of the law a conspiracy to commit murder when in fact a shooting develops again. I want to emphasize that nobody

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is suggesting an examination into the political views of any organization or of any person. Those are private. Their privilege, their constitutionally protected and presumably an exhortation. Simply, tow arm doesn't come under the ban of any penal code provisions we know about. But given the combination of

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consistent and constant Orel talk somewhat irresponsible, directed to members in a tightly knit group predicated along racist lines and lines about the elimination of slave masters. Given all of those things, it seems to me that the public has a right to inquire as to whether or

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not. This is an organization expressing political views or whether this is just another murder Inc or just another bunch of thugs who are going to use guns illegally on that examination ought to be carried on under adequately step with an adequate staff. It ought to be

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carried on what a clear view of where all of the constitutional rights are. And it ought to be carried on in relation to a specific case. This one, the one we're talking about, not some general inquiry. I say. Lawyers have to make these distinctions because the

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test of a big city, some of us believe, and we believe very deeply that we will exert every effort even to make a bad people. I think now, with the incidents of shooting a policeman that have taken place in the exhortation that have taken place, that

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we ought to be willing to get in there and fight this out in terms of our constitutional system, with everything safeguarded, making sure that nothing turns into a witch hunt, relating it to actual criminal fax, like the facts that developed yesterday on the attempt to get

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behind the simple people involved into the background of what is producing this type of thing. Now it may very well be at the exhortations, if only exhortations, maybe immune from the provisions of the criminal law, on the theory that they don't come close enough to an

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attempt or don't comply with the rules of conspiracy. But there's most of us.