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Yeah, Live from San Francisco, it's channel five people are talking with Ann Fraser in Las Magali. Mhm, mm hmm. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah, good morning, Welcome to people are talking and happy martin Luther King birth today is the day we observe his birthday. We do nationwide

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and the freedom train which has already left SAn Jose, it's on its way to san Francisco and what you're seeing now are almost now are a lot of the people that were boarding the one of two freedom trains that will be carrying something like 4000 people

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from SAN Jose to SAN Francisco today. A lot of festivities today and there's gonna be a march from the Townsend train station to a civic auditorium starting at 11 30 here in san Francisco 11 30 this morning. Then this evening at seven, there will also be

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a rally at the san Jose civic auditorium honoring the late dr martin Luther King. He was assassinated just 20 years ago on april 4th 1968. And a planned effort that we're going to tell you a little bit about a little later on in the show to

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make sure that school Children are aware of dr king and all the good works he has done has put out a pamphlet and we'll show it to you a little bit later. You know this morning we're going to talk about the image of black men in

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our society not long ago, newsweek did a whole cover story on it and I want to read you just a little excerpt from, from that story. It says black men are six times as likely as white men to be murder victims, they are 2.5 times as

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likely to be unemployed. They finished last in practically every socioeconomic measure from infant mortality to life expectancy. And some feel that black men in America seem almost an endangered species. Well, it's interesting that many people perceive black men as less intelligent, less productive, more hostile than

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the rest of society. And today on the observance of martin Luther king junior's birthday, we thought it would be interesting to confront these stereotypes we have with us this morning to share their insight. Three very interesting men. We have Huey Newton, former black panther. We have

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Ishmael Reed, who is the Professor of english literature at UC Berkeley. And we have kawanza koonjul fu, the author of countering the conspiracy to destroy black boys. Will you give all three of them a nice warm welcome. This okay gentlemen, thank you

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for coming to visit us this morning on people are talking, we are going to definitely get into the image of black men in America but are the three of you still reeling on the comments of jimmy the greek last friday. Well, I'm not reading. I thought

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the comments were pretty accurate. I think that blacks are superior gene land based upon reproductive survival success. You have to reproduce in order to survive And black blacks have been put on the 400 years of slavery. Given the worst food, the worst medical care, the worst

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housing. So that would select out the weaker gene lines. And that's why we would be, uh, Un proportionately represented in just about every area, were given an opportunity. Glad you sound like you're glad you made these comments here. Now, if whites would like to be superior,

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they would allow blacks into slavery for 400 years, the weaker gene Lyons would die out. So, I think that jimmy the greek is unfairly treated by the station that fired him. And I think the other group that probably would have a superior gene line based upon

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reproductive survival success or uh, or jewish people who have been driven and uh, murdered for years. Uh, and I would like to emphasize that has nothing to do in particular with race. It has to do with selecting out a week, jean line or weak family names.

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Week. Week. Not in an absolute sense, but just that the people cannot stand the oppression. Ishmael. How do you feel? All right? And that's that there were a million black boys last year. They wanted to play in the NBA of that million. Only 400,000 will even

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make it to play high school ball of that 400,000 only 4000 will be able to get to play college ball of that 4000 only 35 will make it to the NBA of that 35 only seven start and the average life in the NBA is four years.

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So the real problem is we have a million brothers Looking for seven full time jobs the last four years. And yet last year we had 100,000 jobs available to be a computer programmer and engineer or a doctor. And only 1000 brothers qualified. So our appeal to

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black males is to realize the odds that that you do most will be that that you do best. I mean we were the first doctor, not Hippocrates, Imhotep. So we have the ability either math or science or music and sports but that that you do most

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with that, that you do best. If you play basketball from three o'clock to nine o'clock, you'll be a very good basketball player. If you went home and went to the library, you'd be a very good scholar. We need more black male role models that will encourage

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our youth in math and science. How are you reacting to the Yeah, I was offended by the remarks but I was offended by the remarks but I hear those kind of remarks all day every day and I think that so he said what you think a

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lot of folks are saying anyhow, but they're not saying that before I came over here, I was tuned into another Channel four. That's okay. I think the interviewer was trying to congratulate arthur Mitchell of the Harlem dance group and he tried to congratulate him by saying

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that well these people are not into super fly or bebop, uh they're into things that are more forms that are more elegant and sophisticated. I can't think of any music form that's more sophisticated, elegant than bebop. So I took that as a slur against african american

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music. So, I think what happens is that we run the risk of singling out people like nick the greek and al Campanis that yahoo have working class styles and we let these elitist people in culture and education get away. Do you understand? I mean, so it

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seems to be a double standard people who have a working class background like those two guys get blasted. But people in the industry I work in in the university and uh and culture get away. They make remarks like that all the time. So in other words,

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it's it's kind of a good thing that it came out. It kind of hit people in the face, made them realize that they have this deep programming that's going on in the program continues. I mean, you know, I can't I can't see why any people will

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be insulted by someone saying their superior. As I read the article about the reverend jesse Jackson. Hewitt said, dr Harriet, wait a minute what I'm talking about, what Huey Newton says right now, jimmy. The greek also said if blacks are given the opportunity and management in

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other areas, they will probably be superior there too. And so I I can't see where anyone would find fault with him other than the majority group who, who are afraid of blacks because of our superiority. You said, okay. Oh yeah. I said, okay. Because it's true,

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it's easy for us to lash out at this person. But he meant that that was his programming. It wasn't right. He meant exactly what he said. That was very important to him. So we have to look at that and realize that this is how people are

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thinking. How do we change people's thinking? I don't want to change it. In other words, if you put blacks under the most vicious, the most savage oppression, through throughout the start of the enslaving period or what gene line would be left other than a very strong

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gene line. I think it's ridiculous to think that, uh, in a biological sense that a week Gene lines would not be wiped out after giving the worst food, the worst medical care and so forth. I think what, what people really want to do is read into

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jimmy the greek statement to say that where blacks are only good at athletics and blacks can't be good at quarterbacks or add management. But he did not say that. I think, I think you're programmed to read into a black inferiority because that's what you're used to

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seeing. And I don't know what his intentions were. Even even. So how do we reprogram that? So we don't think that blacks already. Well, you just have to stop being racist by first encountering your racism. And I've seen first that you should maybe you should be

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a little afraid of, of a people that you've attempted to commit genocide against. Not only then, but now you want to, is it the fault of the media? Well, there's no question that there's a direct relationship between images and self esteem. Uh, and he goes all

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the way back to Tarzan to superman to ramble. Too bad man to even painting the image of jesus christ his wife. I mean, you can't separate racism from anything. So it's no, it's not. It's not unlikely then that you have Pope Julius commissioning Michelangelo in 15

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05 to paint jesus christ. White images control self esteem. Abraham Lincoln found it very early When you have 300 slaves on the plantation and one master takes a lot of work, why don't you let them go? But don't teach them who they are to control their

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history, control the images. Then you won't have to watch them. Whoever controls the mind will also control the bottom talk about the image of the black man in America when we return. Stay tuned. Mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Trying to find the card here of an article

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I had read a Newsweek magazine by Sylvester Monroe, a reporter for Newsweek went back to the projects in Chicago to see where he had been reared and all. And he said as he sees it. The image of a black man in America is like when he

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gets on an elevator, a woman, she grabs her purse a little tighter to herself. Fear that this black man is going to steal it. He's walking down a deserted street with a black friend and a white couple is walking toward them and they they cross the

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street for fear of these black men. Is that the image of black men in America as you see it? Well, one of the things that I'm concerned with and one of the books that I've written countering the conspiracy destroy black boys is what happens early on.

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And one of our concerns that we have studies that document that black boys, maybe the best students in the country up until fourth grade. So the question is what happens to black boys in the intermediate upper grades to begin to create the kind of image that

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you're talking about when they become 18 years and older. I sincerely believe that only men can make boys men now don't misquote me. I did not say that a single female parent cannot rear or educator child, but you need not do that by herself because I

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understand what television thomas trying to make the point very clear where black boys gonna see black men and if you look at the home, 38% 38% of all black Children live in a single run household in terms of school, 80% of elementary school teachers are women,

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95% of our teacher aides are women. When you look at on television, you'd be hard pressed to name five positive black men on television outside the news, especially by excluding bill constant. And then unfortunately many young people, men don't go to church. So the last place

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is the streets and that's the problem the streets to a very poor job making black men. What about your problems? Black boys have a difficult time seeing strong black male role models, which while these kind of shows are very important. What about Eddie Murphy? It's a

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positive male Roma. I have concerns about that. I respect his ability to use his talent. Um, but there are other ways images are very important. And even though, and even his last movie where he was, he even used a plug about Bill Cosby said, you know,

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can you make things funny without using four letter words and so on and so on? It is as if Eddie Murphy said he understood it, but he went right back to using four letter words throughout his entire show, we have to clean that up. How about

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any of the black men in the audience this morning? Have you ever had experiences where when you take off the coat and tie, you're treated differently? Yes, Karl. Howard, I'm sorry Emmett, uh, definitely, um, I'm involved in politics and when I'm, because I'm dressed now. I'm

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treating a lot different than when I had my tie on. Um, how are you treated differently? We'll take like take, for instance, if you're walking and walking down the street and I grew up in a white environment most of my life. Um if I'm by myself

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and I'm walking around white people, they're gonna look at me strangely as if I've done something, whether I've done it or not. But I wanted to ask questions. I want the gentleman to address as far as the media and government how they downgrade our leadership and

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also our government, how they, how they spend more money putting our brothers and sisters in jail And as far as not taking care of the educational part, I think that's the root of our problems. As far as black America education, I'd like to reinforce that. America

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spends $2300 on hit start three and four is your point. They spend 20 to $38,000 in prison. So I believe we need to raise the right questions. How long do you stay in head, Start year two years of the most? How long you stay in prison?

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The rest of your life question number one question, number two, Which one works allowing you to know, study documents at head start, works. But in terms of prison, 85% of inmates to get released, Go right back in. So as jesse Jackson says we have two choices.

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Middle class white America. You can either send me to penn state or the state pen. I don't I don't I don't expect I don't expect uh institutions in America to project a positive male uh blackmail images. Blackmail images are created through revolution, through fighting to change

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the kind of oppressive oppressive conditions that have existed here and that exist. And the positive images that we all can be very proud of. Our movers such as dr martin Luther king and historically not the private turner Denmark Vessey. What about the black panthers? Who? The

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black panther party? Wasn't that a great, wasn't that a great boost to the black men in this country? Well, we think so. And of course we were wiped out systematically. There were about a million pages of of of information compiled upon me alone. I don't know

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how many millions of illegal, I don't know how many uh illegal break ins, but I know I suffered at least 20 or 30 illegal break break ins. There were FBI documents that falsified bank records uh sent around and the bank records were then sent around to

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our supporters. There were character assassinations. Everything you scared people, Huey. The black panthers scared people anytime the black man attempts to change the slave image, he will scare white people. So the black panther party, I thank you when you say that we scared people. That means

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that we were creating a positive black image for ourselves. Carlton. You're an original panther also correct. I was one of the original members of hueys defense team when he was first charged with the murder of officer fry and the assault on Officer Haynes. I have many

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comments to make and I'm not gonna be able to make them all, but I would like to make them in order of importance. We are celebrating martin Luther King's birthday today. I think that we should be at some point considering making Huey P Newton's birthday a

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national holiday. When I first when I first came to the bay area from Chicago. I was appalled at the way the police were oppressing black people in the ghetto. And the only man who had the guts to stand up was Huey P Newton along with his

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associate bobby seale. I was very proud of his actions. I thought that martin Luther King taught us how to pray and how to arouse the conscience of our oppressor. And I thought that Huey P Newton taught us how to stand up to our oppressor and for

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that, I think he should be accorded a national holiday. Okay, thank you. Did a nice job with that high. I grew up in san Francisco in the Hunter's Point naval projects and I could remember being about six or seven and we had an area for the

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black panthers up in Hunters Point. And I felt so protected that they were there. I felt that I could go outside and everything was beauty. The people, the black people were together in Hunter's Point. And when we had the big riot on third Street, everybody began

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stealing from each other. Not at that point, but it's just like we lost our togetherness, we lost it now that you look back over the entire black panther movement, Are you buoyed by it? I mean, was it a real positive experience? I think it worked. I

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think that we we accomplished some of the goals that we set out for of course that blacks are not free in the United States to this very day. So we have not accomplished freedom. But there I hope that we laid down a history that we contributed

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to the continuing struggle for freedom. Let's take commercial break. We'll be back. Mm hmm. Mhm. Ishmael Reed you were unhappy with the film. The color purple and the way it portrayed black men. Why? Well, in my new book, writing us Fighting plug plug outlined some reservations

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about the film. I thought it was a contradiction for of the writer and the industry behind the writer. This is a collective decision. It wasn't her decision alone. They had a meeting. These are feminists. I thought it was a contradiction for them to take a film

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about blackmail Shelvin is um to the biggest male Sheldon is in Hollywood. You wouldn't take a film about the martin Luther king to bull Connor and ask him to do it okay for people to say racism and sexism are the same. I can't imagine that happening.

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So well this this movie was taken to steven Spielberg who has been criticized by asian american organizations, irish american organizations for his depiction of irish and asian in some films and understand luke film, which my wife and daughter saw yesterday as anti japanese. So they took

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this product to him and uh the goal apparently was to make money. Do you understand? Uh now we have a distorted Alice's image from her book lasts up to her. I mean she was a consultant on the film, she was on in the studio working on

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the film until the commencement of what you like. What what were the characters? I mean it was one story that's not very nice man. I mean she has a right to write what she wants to and Hollywood has a right to to I mean this is

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martin Luther King day, we're for freedom and I'm not for censorship, they have a right to do what they wanted him, just pointing out the contradictions in the feminist ideology. Now we have another color purple clone coming up where They're gonna do a lot of these

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because they made a lot of money made over $100 million. So and I understand from Fortune 500 that steven Spielberg is almost a billionaire. So you know, we're like a natural resource. That's one thing black males are. They take our stuff and make a lot of

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money out of it. I should we should hire ourselves up like the coal industry or something. But anyway, there's a new film coming out which is gonna be done by the producers of Rocky. Same thing. A feminist took a product about black male chauvinism and took

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it to a man who produced a misogynistic movie, Rocky and the movie Rocky made millions of dollars exploiting the public because of fear of blackmails. You know, you had a scene where Mr t hit on the man's wife and that kind of thrilled everybody when he

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got knocked out or beaten was conquered by Rocky. So I think one thing about black sexism is is big business and that may be the reason that it will be hard to eradicate it. So in other words, you're saying that they're making a big business on

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the misery of black men rather than uplifting them. And the ironic thing is these people are liberals. You know, the people who participated in this. This this wasn't giving us to buy the right wing, It was giving us to buy liberals. Liberals in Hollywood were the

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ones who produced this and then you have a comment. Yes. I think that we'll all agree that education would be the key to remedying many of the problems that we have in the country today with respected images of blackmail. I'd be interested to hear from some

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of the caucasian members of the audience is how they could, How as citizens and taxpayers, we could do something to increase the number of blacks in the graduate schools. I've been teaching in law schools for 12 years and uh, the highest point of enrollment was during

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the 68-71 period after the Black Panther Party was organized. As you know, there were many more job openings, there were more educational opportunities. But now enrollments are now down and we want to see how can we increase that? We're not getting any comments from our right

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here. We've got a comment about education. Um, I feel like you're right and I feel like it's a very, um, lacking part of our society that we don't address the needs of the black students. But I think it needs to start younger than that. I think

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it needs to start in the grammar schools and I'd like to know how we can change this To make this happen. What do we need to do? I don't feel that education addresses the needs of the black student. I totally agree one of our problems. Before

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even the issue of prison, black Children are 17% of all Children in this country, but that 41% of all the special air Children, the educate mentally retarded, the learning disabled Children. The behavior disorder Children, 17 doesn't equal 41 And if labeled special ed in terms of

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black Children, 85% of time it's going to be a black boy. See the real challenges to female teachers. They have designed a classroom for female students. The student with the least chance of placing special ed is the white female, then the black female, then the white

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male and then the blackmail. So white boys also have similar problems with this female run classroom. In other words, if you know the boys have a higher energy level, a lot more movement in the classroom. If you know that boys are more advanced gross motor, then

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a lot more gross motor activities. If you understand that boys uh have higher ego or some other kinds of issues we need to allow for that more in our classroom and many times we are doing that and we need to pay teachers so that black men

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and white men would like to become educators at early grades, correct, correct. Well I was an affirmative action officer at a major company for four years and while I was there, one of the programs that we started was having some of our black engineers and other

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female engineers and different representatives of minorities go into the high schools with us and make presentations about the field that they were in and what it would take to do that as far as an engineer or technician etcetera. I think that was a real start and

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I had some mixed feelings about it. I never liked it too look staged. But it was I think real effective in getting the students to think about it. And my only other comment to have that same program in elementary schools. The role model mentor program is

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a very good program and need to have more of that. How do you feel about joseph clark? I'm not sure I have his name right? I hope so. The the principal who joseph clark joseph who's hot who's trying to make the schools work? Who's saying if

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you don't, you know, if you don't put your nose to grindstone, you're out and he's running into all kinds of trouble. He brought me into his school to speak. And and my concern about joe clark is that anytime you have a school where there's a high

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disciplinary problem, high drug problem, you can't teach when schools are not safe. He was a major contribution in making the school safe, but but good principles are also strong instructional leaders. Joe Clark is not a very strong instructional leader. He made the school safe. Now we

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need to have another kind of administrator in there for instructional leadership. In other words, you need to have someone else who will make the school safe that does not have to come out of the principal's office. I respect them, somebody else for instructions in just a

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moment. Stay tuned talking about the image of black men in America. And mostly we've heard black people talking about it and somewhat how they perceive themselves and the white members of our audience, uh, the other colors are not saying much about image. I mean, is there

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a reason to fear in your mind's a black man walking down the street and exercise clothes? Does anybody feel that they have to hold their purse closer? Maybe they can't leave the car unlocked? Angelo? Well, I don't know about my purse, but I don't want to

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cheat you either because I'm Puerto Rican. So I'm part of the rainbow coalition here. You know, I'm from new york home of Howard Beach. And one of the problems is, uh, although we have to talk about long term problems and structural problems in the society and

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how, you know, images are projected. What do you do in the short term? And that is the fact that, that you have that fear you have, you know, people can say, you know, more blacks and Puerto Ricans and Latinos are in prison than, you know, white

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people aren't, you know, proportionately that there's more crime and you know, black areas and you have this image, you know, that is based on some realities in the sense of the immediate thing that doesn't deal with the long term thing. How do you deal in the

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short term with those kinds of issues, how do you address that in terms of, you know, if you see a black man on the street and he's not in coat and tie, maybe even if he is, you have some fear. Well, I think people have fear.

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People have fear of me, you know, as a Puerto Rican also. So uh, there's a lot of fear around. But again, the question is, how do you like in new york city? The city is very, very polarized now, for example, how do you deal with those

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things? As I said in the short run? Uh, well, I think we can answer that question very quickly by simply asking ourselves, why are black people brought to this country were brought in to work? Does that reason exist today? America has a problem? What do they

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do with the people they no longer need. But remember how you phrase, the question determines the answer. The negro question is what are they going to do for us? The african question is, what are we going to do for ourselves in other words? And, and, and

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very quickly, what I'm trying to get at is that they're a good intention parents to tell their Children to get a good education to get a good job. I don't lie to my two sons 15 and 10. I tell them to get a good to get

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a good education to be like their father to be the boss to run their own corporations in America, you can have Bama. And I have a PhD and you can still be out of work. In other words well trained but poorly educated. So programs like Minister

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Farrakhan self help programs sees a contradiction for America to condemn a louis Farrakhan to condemn the black panthers who are reinforcing self healthcare activities that need to create income and jobs in the black community. We earned $208 billion but we spend 93% of our money somewhere

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else. Where you spend your money is where you spend your job. I wanted to make the point in the concurrence with what the gentleman just said and that is that education frankly is overrated in terms of what it will do for the black blacks in America.

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It's merely a tool and the bottom line or the economics involved as louis Farrakhan pointed out why can't we at least make our own toilet paper, our own soap and our own toothpaste and not be dependent upon the dominant culture for our basic needs. It was

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also pointed out to me that uh I should respond to how it made me feel. For example, when I was stopped by Albany police officer walking along the street At 4:00 AM and my jog suit and tennis shoes going home because he didn't know me first

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thing he did, he approached me and asked me for my I. D well I don't carry I. D. In my jog suit when I gave him my name, I gave him my nom de plume because I'm a poet and my nom de plume is Alan Philip

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decade row when he couldn't come up with anything on the computer. He was very incensed. Now he got angry at me simply because he couldn't find anything on the computer which should have indicated that I wasn't in any trouble or hadn't been in any any trouble.

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But the fact of the matter is I was very incensed about this incident and I think that the fact that a black man not in a shirt and tie is oppressed more than other people is one of the indicia of racism in this country. Okay, we'll

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be back in a moment. Mhm. Carolyn you had a question, I just wonder why sometimes often black men choose white women over black women. I don't understand that well, I think that that's very easily answered by the fact that we still live in a world where

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we based images or beauty of Europeans. In other words, if America defines beauty as light skin, long hair and blue eyes. Haven't they told you what ugliest. There are still people even in this audience using terms like good hair, if you know what good hair is,

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you got to know what bad hair is. If you know what pretty eyes are, you have to know what ugly eyes are that's dialectic once you know it is, you automatically know what's not but you know it's amazing about racism when I was in florida, I

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found Europeans trying their best to run down to florida to get a suntan to look like us. And then I found us running all with cream trying to look like them. Do you know any black women even in this audience cannot swim, afraid there's gonna go

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back, go back to where, where are you afraid to be going back to? I just wanted to address what was said earlier about black men walking down the street in the middle of the night. Anyone walking down the street in the middle of the night will

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be stopped by a police officer because that's not a common time to be out. And if someone was walking down the street in your neighborhood at three in the morning, wouldn't you wonder no matter what color they were, what they were doing there? Exactly. Oh yeah.

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Starlet, one thing I was going to address in there is that I don't think it's because you were colored and if you're saying that the officer had an attitude at all, it might have been any question that you were giving false I. D. Was there any

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other reason, not just because of your color but for his own. They just they just they just found out that the transit authority in the new york was singling out hispanic and black men for arrest when they were not guilty of crimes. It's a big case

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in new york right now, that happens all the time, that black do you want you want me to finish this? That there seems to be tension between black men and white men in this country. I once proposed that the black men and white men would have

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a conference like the women did down in Houston. Maybe they can work it out because I know every time I go out of the house, I'm gonna have some kind of hassle with somebody. You know, I will give you a concrete example, an anecdote. Okay, Instead

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of theory, an anecdote, something that happened to me, I've been trading at this coffee place on a Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley for about 15 years. People are very courteous to me. I went in there with another black person, a black man and I thought they were

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going to call the riot squad or something, You know what I mean? Because two black men constitute a mob, I guess that goes back to slavery. Uh, so I think, I think there's some, some, some hostility and conflict between black men and men of other backgrounds

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in this country and I think it ought to be worked out in a peaceful manner so that we can avoid some of these conflicts. And I think getting back to education, you mentioned joe clark and his methods and everything. I think something's wrong with this curriculum

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to uh, we have people who do ignorant things because they've not been acquainted through the educational system with other cultures. Now if I were jimmy the greek, I will sue my high school, I will sue every university I went to for not acquainted me with afro

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american people in this country. Now we have a case down here and uh uh stanford where the asian, hispanic and african american students are just trying to get stanford to make 11 ethnic course, a required course. Okay, just one. Not changing the curriculum, not making the

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curriculum the multicultural curriculum so that we can learn about Hispanics and other people in this country. But just one and the resistance is coming from the professors there and I'm reminded the professors in Nazi Germany who knew about schubert and bach and Beethoven. Yet they were

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the ones who led to the holocaust who encouraged the holocaust and used to end their lectures with Heil Hitler, Starla, what I wanted to say is that I don't agree with the lady saying that because you're not well because you're out after four o'clock in the

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morning. I live in the hate People are up jogging all the time. You don't see anybody being stopped at five o'clock in the morning, four o'clock in the morning in the Haight Ashbury. But that's because of the predominantly white neighborhood and that's the way that's the

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way I see it. I don't think if it was, you know, it doesn't make any difference when it's a predominantly white neighborhood and white people are jogging. But if a brother was out there, they would be watched and they would be um looked at. I hate

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to disagree, but I was stopped this morning at 5 30 walking my dog by a policeman who just wanted to know why I was out at that hour. I'll tell you what the white women are, the safest group in this country. I mean, you know, just

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statistically, if you want to get back to theory, If you're a white woman, your chances of being murdered is one in 300 something. The white man is the one and 200 something. If you're a black woman is one in 81 81. If you are a black

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man is one in 25. Okay, so all we hear about in the media is uh protecting american european women. Do you understand that when they're the safest people, the safest group in this country and I see the police and all these other night errands or whatever

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these vessels and warriors protect their whole energy is directed towards protecting the safest group in this country. So I think we get in this hysteria about race because partially because of the media and I don't want to bring that because I'm on television, I'm on your

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show, but I think I think I think that and I don't know what we're getting. People get 95% of the information from television nowadays. Okay, Bryant gumbel said this is the most important way of informing people and educating people in the country. And I think the

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media has become more responsible every time I look at that six o'clock news, I cringe, I said, oh Lord, what do we do now? You know what I mean for the women in this audience, What role do you play in the in the image, you said

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you were stopped? You know what we're not of course were we weren't talking about white people have never arrested. White people have never stopped going on. See that's an absolute statement. You have white people in jail. We mean as soon as the statistical average that blacks

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are more often stopped according to our number that we represented society, which is only about 11%. You know what, I don't think anybody's gonna agree with. I agree with changing. Changing the way you change it is changing the entire institutionalized, We're not going to change the

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whole system this morning. We're not gonna do anything but procrastinate. But what I'm trying to say is we have to start movements like the civil rights movement, I'll continue it. Like the black panther party continue it like the Republic of New africa continue movements like the

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nation of Islam, because it needs all of those groups, all of those movements just to start to make a dent in the kind of twisted mentality white people have in this country, the upper class to the middle class. Because Rita has a comment here by the

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situation of black oppression one way, even when they don't want to start today, let's let our audience have some comments. Well, you have more time than I have. You. Just an audience. You bet you have more time. Why don't you come up and you have more

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time than I have and you just in the audience? My feeling is that my feeling is that as a black woman and a mother, it is my responsibility as what I see myself as the first teacher of a nation. I consider myself to be a part

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of the black nation and as my responsibility as a mother is to teach my son the reality and the truth of the world as it exists. Not only my son, but any child that comes into my environment. If I see a kid walking down the street

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and it's raining, he's got his coat on his shoulder, sweetheart, put your coat on your back. Okay, If I see a child disrespecting an adult, he doesn't have to be my child. But I will correct him. And that is our responsibility as black women and women

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as a whole. We are the first teachers of our Children who become our next Joey. There are white men in the audience and there are black men in the audience and we haven't heard anything from the white men, How do you guys feel about the black

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man ross. How do you feel about it? What did you think I would say that I have met my white men that I haven't cared for and some black men that I haven't cared for. I mean I really, I was telling somebody a story before I

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went on the air and was back in 1968 and I was living down in Campbell California and the fellow below us um was carrying holding his new little baby. And I looked over the railing and I said congratulations. I mean you're you're a dad now. And

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he said, yeah, he said the first thing I'm going to teach this child is the difference between black and white. And I walked inside and I said to my wife, I said, whoa! I mean that scared me. That really upset me as a white man that

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another white man would say he's going to teach him the difference between that's the whole problem we got in this country. There's no difference. Carlton, You can't, you can't. No. I wanted to make the comment that uh and mentioned she was stopped at five a.m. I

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agree with the brother who said the police officer was trying to protect her. Probably I didn't finish my story. The police officer who stopped me when he couldn't get a read out on the computer, told me that I was going to stand there until something came

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up or I gave him a different name. I explained to him That my nom de plume had been in existence for over 20 years. I turned my back on him and walked away as he pulled his revolver and his brother officer said to him, uh don't

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shoot him, it's not worth it. And I did not turn around so he could have gone either way. He wasn't trying to protect me, but he was trying to protect an I think I think enlightened, I think enlightened white males like yourself, we should go back

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and try to educate some of the other guys. Um okay, no, let me finish because you know, I'm not singling you out as being part of the problem. Your ancestors are probably in europe paying as much due to some of the slaves. That's possible. Okay, because

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there were white ethnics who came here as slaves as indentured servants and who restricted activity just as blacks were. But I think that when you look at the problems in this country, the institutions for example, um it's just just coincidentally, maybe white men in charge of

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those institutions. White men are like less likely to give jobs to minorities and women. Okay, white men are the ones who are committing incest. Okay, that's one thing I objected to the color purple because they had these black men doing all these kinds of things when

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the incident is very low in the afro american community of black men committing incest. If you want to talk about rapists, you have to talk about white meals again. You know, So, white men need to be educated and white men like you ought to go back

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and try to educate them. Mhm. We've got about a minute and a half rochelle. Okay. I'd like to address this question to Huey Newton and Mr Carlson. I don't see how you can compare his way to Dr martin Luther King way. He went, he took his

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actions wrong. He didn't go about it the right way. Okay. Holiday for this man. That's funny. Okay. Because he's wrong about his ways. All right. We got it. We got 45 seconds. Okay, my name is Carlton. Carlton. We know. All right, first of all. First of

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all, Dr. King was a very great man and his greatness was rooted in prayer and Huey Newton was a great man. His greatness was rooted in what Dr King was praying for manhood. Okay, Stacy. Um Well, I see some black men is it's their attitude like

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you have the black panthers and you're in your group and you feel you feel strong. But then we have your like separating yourself still. And then we're going to get a group and then you're getting another group and that's what separates us. We don't have to

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separate ourselves. When we're already separated. But let me say this about dr martin Luther King. Dr dr martin Luther King was put out of the N double A cp because he was too radical. And before that, uh, dr w e B du bois, who started the

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N W CPU was put out because uh, he was a communist and he later then went to back to africa and died in Ghana. I think that I respect dr martin Luther King and all of the areas. The CCP for instance, this is a legal area.

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The Southern leadership council was an action area. I think that if I think the problem is so large until it takes more than dr martin Luther King, it takes more than Malcolm and could take more than Huey Newton to solve this problem. So, I would like

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to know how this young lady will contribute in her actions or in her teaching problem with us. And and I shall return after this. Stay tuned. Mm hmm.