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mhm, mm hmm. Mhm. Well, good afternoon. Welcome to people are talking in the afternoon. Well, our guest this afternoon is a legend in her own time. She's skyrocketed to musical fame in 1966 when she recorded her song White Rabbit with the jefferson airplane today, 18 years

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later, she's got a new sound and a new album entitled Software. And though she hates the title, would you please welcome the First Lady of Rock and Roll, Grace slick, thank you. Mhm. Do you hate it as much? That title? The First Lady of Rock and

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Roll as all the literature seems to indicate. No, I don't mind it except that they use it for everybody. They introduce Pat Benatar and here comes the first, you know, as far as but you are the first, I mean, you're before Pat, I'm before moses. You've

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been singing rock and roll for 20 Over 20 years now. How have you managed to sustain all these years? Oh, I don't know, I really don't. It could be genetic, you know, do you think it's a child in you? Absolute stubborn Norwegian blind determination and luck,

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among other things. What you just said, I said, do you think it's the child in you? Probably a refusal to grow up? We grow old, but we don't grow up. We were talking about that backstage, by the way your stage rotates a bit faster and I

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thought it was going to standing back there. I thought it was gonna be cool. And all of a sudden, it's like a ride. You can get it going real fast back in the sixties. We might have done that. You know, we didn't even have to get

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on your already there, back in the sixties. Late sixties, early seventies. Were you? As wild as reports saying? Yes ross. Uh yeah, I don't mind that kind of publicity. As long as you don't hurt anybody. The only thing, the thing, the only thing that really bothered

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me about any of it is driving drunk. That's the only thing. I don't mind what you do if you're not going to hurt anybody that offends me. But nothing that was wrong, but nothing else bothers me. I had a good time. I still do. But now

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no alcohol. No nothing, no, nothing. I'm an extremist. I like either all or nothing at all. There's a song, yes, frank Sinatra's. Who did that song anyway, remember all or nothing. You know? Who was that? Anybody know that any old folk in the audience ness and

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Eddie, even young folks, there's a little small person in a pink shirt that's going on. Where was there any specific event in your life that said, I'm getting off the drugs and the alcohol? Yeah, because I'm not suicidal. Never have been, it. Never even crossed my

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mind. And I did a pilot for a show in new york. The network's never bought it. Not because of me. Just they didn't want it or I don't know something. Uh and I wasn't, I I knew I should stop doing that And I woke up in

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the morning, I hadn't really done anything totally wrong. It was just the feeling of what a jerk, Just what a total jerk you are, you know? And I thought well if I feel that way and I ordinarily don't then something is wrong and probably you ought

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to stop doing whatever it is you're doing that makes you feel that way. But it took me a long time to arrive at that because I'm real stubborn. You said you're not suicidal. Do you think that Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix were? No, I think a

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lot of that stuff is drama for the sake of drama. People's conjecturing on their lives and everything. What happens when you take drugs is that it's like a Russian roulette and you have to know that when you started chances are one microgram. Too many Tuesday is

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not going to be the same as one microgram was last Tuesday when it worked just fine. This Tuesday, your chemistry is different and it's not gonna work this time. And I really think that what they were doing the same thing I was doing and I wasn't

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particularly depressed Janice had a new record coming out. A new boyfriend at that time. A new producer, everything was looking good. She just decided to have a little more because if this feels good two more is going to feel great. Two more may have worked last

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week but didn't work this week because none of those people were super depressed or anything, did it. That when, when they died and for those reasons they died, did it make you sit back and think about what you were doing? You just thought you always think

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most people who overuse drugs think, oh, that happens to somebody else. It never happens to me. You never think that you always want to think that it's somebody else and they were available, weren't they? I mean readily available backstage. Oh yeah, I never the only reason

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I didn't get into heroin is because it's too much trouble. I'd like to be able to say I was morally against it and aren't I wonderful. But that's not true. It's just that it was too much trouble. You've got to have this stuff and you have

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to have a needle and you've got to have these tie off things and you can't get a hold of the connection and he's down in the slums and I don't want to drive. I mean, it was just all this stuff and alcohol is convenient. There's only

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two hours a day, you can't get a hold of it. So I was just lazy. That's why it was a primary drug. You know, the first person also that I saw usually you do things because you say, oh, that looks like fun. First person I saw

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in heroin was a guy that I had been told was a wonderful musician. He was sitting in a recording studio like this with drool coming out of his mouth and I said, well that doesn't look like a lot of fun. I mean I can drool without.

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I mean, so it just never kind of showed up and starship for all the Kind of coming out of acid rock and drug days is really a pretty straight group. I was the weirdest of all of them are the most overboard. They're all pretty straight really.

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They were like, you know, athletic shirts with numbers and we're teasing one of I-83, one of them almost had bell bottom pants on the other day. We were teasing about being old fashioned everything. So I'm the only punky kind of, you know, with the truck suit

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on. You know, this is the first time I've seen your hair all one color in a while. Yeah, that's true. It changes from green to kind of, My husband's even worse now. He has blond, black and green and he's a manager. He's in business. Usually managers

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are more look like you. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, we're going to take a commercial break when we come back, take a look at your one and one pill makes you small mother gives, you don't