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innovation group has been to socially exclusive. We sort of have been reaching Above the 10,000 ft mark for the preservation of the wilderness for wasps. And I think we've got to move out and understand that the environment is a word and pollution is a word which

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covers many things which weren't understood not that long ago. And it seems to me that rats are an environmental problem, that crummy housing is an environmental problem that we're poor persons live near the bay and can't get access to access to it because there's private property

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in the way. Uh, that's an environmental problem. And I think we have to understand that unless we reach out and fight for what we believe is proper the level of the environment which we have to restore or reach, we have no one to blame but ourselves

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because government will be responsible. It will be responsive. But it's got to be approached. It's got to be lapel clutched and I don't think conservationists are doing it.