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what do you think of the women's lib movement? It's pretty raucous movement. Are you in favor of what they want and the way they're going to get it, what particular, what do they want? You don't know anything about it? Well, I think that they're defeating their

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own purpose and not liking the pageants because this pageant is the largest women's women's scholarship in the world and to further my education, this is the way I'm going to do it. And I think it's a pretty good pageant. I don't think there's anything phony about

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it. They seem to feel you're a tool of the male established establishment. Well, a woman is a companion of a man and I feel this is the way it should be. Do you feel that women are being used by men? Women are being used by men?

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I feel they've always been used by men. What do you feel? I'd like to use something. That's what I thought, Karen, do you feel that the or is it possible that the whole idea of beauty contest is a little out of place in the current context?

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Well, do you feel that the Miss California was really a beauty contest? Half of the points were scored on talent and about I bet 1/5 was on your personality and your graciousness. And so I think generally these cheesecake type of pageants ruined the image of Miss

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America and Miss California because it's not that way really isn't. If a woman can prove herself to be of superior intelligence and if she qualifies for the job or whatever, then she should be given the job. Of course, they seem to feel women don't have a

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chance in today's society. Do you agree or disagree with? Well, I feel I have a chance. I've made certain steps to further my music career and it's working out pretty well with me generally. Do women have a fair shake out of life? Well, what do you

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mean? Are we women wrestlers? Are we football players? I don't think we have the physical attributes. You plan to go to college here locally, but if you were to win the Miss America Contest.