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Mr Hinkle, when did ramparts first get information regarding CIA activities and student groups that started your investigation Approximately two months ago. We had our first information on this story and we've had a team of about 11 reporters and investigators working on it full time ever since

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this investigation has gone on throughout the country. That's correct over the country now. This is not the first time that ramparts has done articles on the Central Intelligence Agency who did one on Michigan State University a few months ago. Now, are you going to continue investigations

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into this matter? Do you have to anticipate that there will be other connections between the CIA and educational activities? Definitely will. We began to investigate the CIA intrusion on michigan State University's independence. We found several other examples of such work which we are currently working on

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and the National Student Association is only one of them. Well, do you find that the C. I. A. Has tried this same technique on other student organizations other than the N. S. A. We have some suspicions, yes. Uh We know they have tried it with other

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independent american organizations which do overseas work uh foundations, for example, which uh work in underdeveloped countries. CIA is very heavily involved in a number of them. And that's part of the investigation that which we're which we're engaged in at the moment for future articles generally. What

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did you find out about the financial arrangements between these foundations? And, well, we found that there were a number of foundations which were serving as fronts and as a secret conduits which served the function of passing CIA funds into NSA in a way that would make

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it harder to trace back to the C. I. A. Uh it was an arrangement that was worked out partly uh to keep this information hidden from the many members of N. S. A. Who had no idea that the C. I. A. Money was coming in. Did

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you find that there are a lot of people in NSA that knew about this was just a very small group, very few. And that's part of the tragedy of the story. That type of information was CIA interested in from. Well Siya is interested in uh getting

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information on uh student leaders in other countries, especially in the underdeveloped countries in which uh student leaders play a very very important role in the emerging politics of that country. Uh They wanted to be briefed on where the student leaders were moving. They all see a

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also wanted to play a role in exercising control over international student organizations and in combating communist and revolutionary influence in those organizations. And by working through an essay, they were able to do this. We do not think that is in the traditions of this country or

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of a democracy especially under the secret guys. These these situations normally occur. Why do you suppose the C. I. A. Would finance a student organization over such a long period of time? That's a very difficult question. I wouldn't that's one of the most puzzling parts for

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me, because I don't think that that would be a very effective way of of promoting any kind of spying among student representatives abroad. I think probably uh that it was seen as as a way of strengthening a Western student organization, that could be a bastion of

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Western parliamentary government against any kind of uh soviet union sponsored group uh as a student leader on a campus, as politically active as the Berkeley campus is. Had you ever been approached by anyone to spy on any organization? No, no, I never have. What effect do

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you think this revelation will have on the Students and on the funding for the National Students Association? It's hard to tell what effect it'll have on funding that depends on on I would suppose, the contents of the ramparts article uh and the substantiation that are made

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uh students, there's no doubt about it, I think, will be very grievously shocked.