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San Francisco. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm gonna tell you about San Francisco since this point did a thing for me. I mean, since I got out of high school, I had a couple of jobs. I work a couple of companies and warehouses. I mean, after a while,

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they say, uh well, I guess we're gonna let you off for a couple of weeks, you know? Alright, They talk about the South. The South is not half bad in San Francisco. You let me tell you about San Francisco. I'll tell you about San Francisco, the

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white man. He's not. He's not taking advantage of you out in public like they're doing down in Birmingham. But he's killing you with that pencil and paper. Brother, When you go to look for a job, can you get a job? Can you get a job? Winkle?

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This is San Francisco Americans pretend does not exist. I think I'm making it up. National Educational Television Presents Take this hammer. This'll is a film report on a visit to the city of San Francisco by the novelist, essayist and playwright James Baldwin. Mr. Baldwin's guide on

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this tour of the city is the executive director of Youth for service Ordell Luster on territory. Kids, You tell him I'm going? Uh huh. What you tell them? Go knows that much stuff. Well, I know the law. You're welcome. All enormous. Anybody who knows because they're

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not city, they pay their dues. They don't know why I never budgets to junk. Why? You know why when he does carry, like, why carry? They weren't able to make any kind of connection between the aspirations which country expect expect, be content. And then in the

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civil fact that he's human animal e just like everybody else. Everybody is surging from there's only more or less frustration and moral and nations air under this Chili's in the South is old birds. But you know, But here, which city down, Francisco. Maybe when it's so

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liberal and so civilized it's illiterate. Go on to the round, maybe even celebrate where you can go up house. The truth is that everyone on the one hand is fundamentally capable of paying his dues. But no one pays his dues willingly. Yeah, the white man, like

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the black man, like any other man on earth, can pay his dues if he realizes that's what he's got to do. As long as you think there's some way to get through life without paying your dues, you're gonna be vanquished. The bill has come in, is

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not coming in. It is in very question now is precisely what we've got in the bag. This because it's everything we think we have everything. And Birmingham is an instant no, which may become a shrine. What is really crucial is whether or not the country the

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people in the countries of citizenry are able to recognize that there is no moral distance, no moral distance, which is to say, no disk between the facts of life and sentiment is going the facts of life and burning. There is no moral distance, which is, they

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know, distance between President Kennedy and Bull Connor. Because the same machine, but then both in power. We've got a call, you know, we've got to tell it like it ISS That's where it's that Oh, I was gonna tell me about what? This

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is part of our redevelopment also. What do you mean? You say about me, even removal of Negroes, E In other words, now the Negroes who came because the Japanese were pushed out now being pushed out. That's right, effects. Francisco is reclaiming this. That's strange. This property

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had trained to build it up, which means Negroes have to go. That's right and where they're going to go. Well, they're going out to Hunter's Point into the, uh, hate Asper area and also you wherever they can, find reasonable rents south of Market and all the

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other places where they can find rent. In other words, going from one ghetto to the other e like to point you with San Francisco. There's a whole Mr Baldwin, and I think mostly what that's being watched here today is something black and young people go to

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school together. They graduate on the same stage, and then when it comes to jobs, the black faces not qualified. But they graduate in my daughter, have to go clean up the same girl house that spread with state a zai say the most things being watched Blackface.

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What we were talking about last night in the sport was the real situation. Liberals in the city, as opposed to image Cisco would like to present. Yes. Why don't you tell me a little about it. I know a lot about New York. I'm a stranger here.

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The same, I'm sure. I'm sure the principle holds. I'm curious about the details. Well, one thing about it in this particular, about 80% of the people in this area are Negro. This is a really large housing project. Uh, there's, uh, first delinquency is concerned. We'll drink

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about four. Uh, job situation is bad. This is a real black belt in San Francisco. I think that a lady over to your left, Mrs Nichols, a good representative of one of the indigenous leaders in this area. Tell me something. You sound like a stupid question.

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This question I've asked myself all the time. What process do you say to me, kid? Um Thio investment. A morale, which is the country. Um, if Germany can't have on the spine more specifically, we're dealing with Negro Kid and trying to insist that he know that

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he could do anything he wants to do. How do you make you believe it? That's a difficult question. I think that one of the main things that we have Thio make them boy you. They say everybody could be the president of the United States on, then,

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uh, then, uh, this more, uh, grows up and it comes up at the time it gets 40 to 50 years old. It began to find out that this is not true. And to make him, uh, face be able to face what's coming to hear me in

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the future. I mean, Negro President, in this country, there will be any represent this country. What do you say that get jobs? Are we gonna be a present? Got? But I I want you to think about this. There will be a needle president of this country.

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There will not be the country that we have now. But if you say to yourself, there never will be a Negro president in this country. What you're doing. He's agreeing. The white people who say you are furious is important meeting No, without his Negro president. I

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mean, in that way, what's important is that you should realize that you can. You can become the president. There's nothing anybody anybody do. You can't do well. The truth is to get them to get I don't think exaggeration. I think the truth is, and even to

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get the remote most media opportunity. You've gotta be at least five times as good as anybody else. Around five times is good. Not only the job, but this person dangerous. I think you have to have a certain the boys that I got the street Harlem and

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other survivors when marks all the survivors is a certain which was absolutely indispensable going when we're going to survive. And the country doesn't realize that I'm sure that oh, *** operators who are who are really through this toughest operators in the world. When I say operators,

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I don't mean I don't mean anything wicked. I'm excited. They looked at it, loves with stories over here and doesn't by any of the any of the moral jazz about America. Good up, right? Oh, all these things which country effect uses only to keep the Negro

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in this place where the country doesn't believe it. Obviously, it doesn't look that by itself there's a whole race of people who are in effect on underworld, which is very which is very large, I think is very crucial. I don't do it. Don't do it. Don't

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do it hard work hard work for nobody doesn't make all right Question. How do you make behind make someone telling me I'm making I'm dating myself. But I thought you know what I e 05 to that I robbed a bank in Los Angeles. You believe that

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I love you. You don't e o saying kids we're talking about now. Their real problem is they cannot find in the country any any reason. It's happened in country says, and they're very young, so they can't find anything else either. And that's how they end up.

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For example, on the needle, it's a crime made by one section of the population of the populace against another section of the popular. And it's a crime which really could destroy this country. Breathing, please. I think they have a purpose. But then again, the way some

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of these people do you sometimes when they pick you up, stop your well, like a couple of times would be downtown just walking around. They they look at you. If you look suspicious, they would just stop like I'm going to show one night. Me and my

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wife way just happened to go around Market Street and we've seen this police car go back all right. We could turn the corner and next corner they meet us and they stop us. Show starts at 7. 45. We were out there to nine o'clock, but then

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they didn't have an excuse to stop because they stop this decision card call in this and that. What was the purpose of that? We won't do anything wrong. Nobody was mad. Come here. And you. One thing. What the police do when they get mad just to

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make it man way. Ordinary citizens, we get mad, weaken do things to hurt people in Robben. Still, what do they do when they get mad? They take this team off. I think you know the answer to that question. Well, I couldn't ask that because the police

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has never bothered me in that way. But I read newspapers, all right. We've been living around here all my life, and I see things going on. Mm hmm. No, but the policeman gets mad. He's got a gun, and he's got a club. You too. Yeah, There

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was something else. Do you think the police to protect you? Well, like you say, they gotta make a living too. They got wives and families, kids to take care off. I mean, that's just a job to them, some of them just just a way to make

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some money. It's not no hard work, actually. I mean, it's hard when they run up against somebody. Gotta stop somebody from taking, uh, go chase the robbers. Somebody, something like that. I mean, it might be considered hard then with their lives in danger, but that was

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hard about riding around the car looking, walking up and down speechless. What's hard about that? Nothing you got? No, you got no often. Well, this other thing, these dogs Uh huh. What about them? Are they necessary? What do you think? I don't think they are because

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when they put a dog on a man and it's just like sending a dog, another animal to fight another animal. The dog don't know that there's not another animal Be going. He's talked to do one thing, and when he bites somebody, he's gonna hurt him. Well,

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I do what I think about dogs. No, it's crime worse than the crime for civilized country. Country would sentence civilized, to use dogs against man. That's right. And we all know that black people in this country are the lowest of the low Everybody, it's Wednesday night.

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Tell you so when the dog to use they used against you. Us? What about the Negro police? These dogs? Yeah. Baby cops. Cops? No, e one. Just one of a kind. And when they got there, Mr One? That's right. So, in other words, Negro becomes a

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policeman. He thinks like white. I like to say that I said white mane. I wouldn't say the northern because we do have some right here. They think they the white fathers also. Yes, I know that they think that because they've got signs up saying white colored

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that this is not better than people in Birmingham. It's one thing that's different in San Francisco. In Birmingham, it iss that San Francisco is like wash. Yes, precisely in San Francisco. It's under the rug. No. Has a headline, Jack. Everyone. Everyone in San Francisco, every white

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person has ever intend to have gotten Negro problems everywhere. I have been in this country. We talked to a white person, says regulations. Excellent, identified a single leader in this country who agrees with that. Then, if you like that, the Negro have built opportunity accent Negro

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be hired on a large fine. They'll reach out in Taiwan. Has to shut your mouth and put him in the window. Yeah, I either give him the mouth or Yes, yes. Well, I'd like to also say that hunter support seems to be, in my opinion and

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my my way out. You're looking at it, huh? Part is just like being in Alabama right now. And I feel that we all some of the ones that can't go down we can. We can march on San Francisco for the black man of help Black Woman.

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We can do that here because it has been stated that until we worked on this San Francisco in other areas uh, New York and a scar going all around, But we can get something done. We can help our brothers in the south coast of the black

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people in Alabama on my people. Primarily, I'm from Texas, but anywhere in the South anywhere Negro is a black man is involved. I'm there. I'm the mother of five kids, Mother, a nine week old baby. But if the time comes where I came march in San

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Francisco, I certainly will. Big Bari a ticket to go to Alabama and I am ready. But it's just because of the baby. On he is a breast fed baby is the reason why I can't go right now. But if it means that I'll have to marching

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March feeding my baby right here for the black man are my chills. Where is that we are? Yes, has done. I suppose that no one has any sense of what a dangerous area this is. E I think this is one of the real troubles that Nick

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Rowe has in San Francisco. He doesn't really know his place because it hasn't been running spelled out trying Thio find his place in his soul. Thing is one of the problems, e what place is there for me? You know, came out to escape. You keep trying

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another prisoner. That's right. You find yourself and you find yourself facing the Pacific Ocean. You know you go. Yes. Yeah. Now you can see this is well, more residents coming apartments. So far, it's coming down, you know it's gonna be two Market street. Great problem is

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how in the world when he's going to invest these Children with a new morale with some sense of their own worth. But the country is gonna dio country won't do it, e I suppose you could say that the moment country can't do it. You have a

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sense of its own work, e um, something in troubles And you tell me Does But tell them it's almost I'm sorry, but I don't know. I can't afford to say it's insoluble. It z you try rough, Andi And to you know, like the parents. I mean,

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what do they tell their kids? You know, they see them suffering and I mean, they trying to strap the things. And what did they tell them? You know, because they themselves can't save themselves about escape. Children's got more like by that too. You have no way

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have no much flags No, no cut Going back. Hundreds e o e way! Because I realized what a dog White man waas e when he got stuck jumping on me and putting me in jail and everything, you know? Where did that happen? Where? Right here in

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San Francisco. California wouldn't tell me how it started. How status? Yeah, What you mean how it's done him in the first time you arrested the first time I was arrested. Yeah, well, the first your all your 1948 1948? Yeah. What for? E? Well, I don't know

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what they call it, but I got caught in a bedroom. A little white girl. The Oh. How old were you in 1948? Yeah. What? What you're using raid years old 1948. You according bed. A little white girl on you went to jail when you were eight

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in San Francisco. You live in the world you live in. But what did you under the bus. But what you want to know? You even know nothing. But he's not even teaching me about the future of mouth before you go to school for them way Don't

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even have a country. I know that we have a country. Your country which is not your country. A flag growing a black man flag. You have no flag. No way. E Your big man e g o e. Want him to give me. I want him to

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give me 30 e o e o. Now I know that I'm gonna give you this now. What does this mean to you? What? I give you 30 e? Because I give you Give me nothing, e When I give you this e, I'm helping you out. And

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I'm your truth, brother, because I give you a true brother. I didn't say that, my brother, but not too brother. All right. Now, what does this really mean to you? The 36 e? Well, I'll stay with me. I'm going on by making anything like all of

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these man being shipped to regain Mohammed, huh? No, no, no, no Folk chopping e camp. Uh, what do you eat? Mostly I mean, what you already that also e o? We owe it up because of what you're saying. I had to

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be a true e o e yourself, but they got no suit on. That can be. Oh, look at this. You a $5? No way. We're not gonna get nothing. Not quite sitting around here doing these cities and demonstrations and nothing. People not gonna do anything. How

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are we going? Uh, violence, violence, uprising, having a revolution. But there are 20 million of them. 20 million? That's enough. Not not not not not not not these days and not in those terms. It's enough. Let's get it. 48 States Party a state. Get them together.

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How? How so? It is not what is true religion, you know, get all the people together, get out believing one thing on. Then they can't help but stick together. I mean, we can't stick together now. Half of us. Christian. The other half Baptist, You know, some

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Jews and all that. I was good. Is that gonna do us? So you think the opening and we can do get together Having armed uprising. Billy Canada. That's the blood. You know that. Everybody leaves stone away. We're gonna get what happened to the people in Birmingham.

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But Birmingham isn't over yet. It was over. Oh, yeah, it's over. It's over so that they don't sit in the state. Federal Carlo people, They had a little old, you know, a little show Sunday night. That's the only thing they did when he was marching around

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them. Thousands and thousands. What's happening? He got mad Sunday, jumped on a few up, send a few into the hospital. Then whatever they said, we're gonna give you what you want. Yeah, anything that and get now the Negro teenager doesn't have any possibility as we sit

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here now. I mean, as of this moment, it's not historical. Does not have any possibility are accepting Americans. She was saying No way of learning because it's not been it is not being taught he has. There is no possibility for him begin to begin to act.

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Um, well, we always like to think of the American assumptions. You know, a man's a man for all that and all that jazz. It isn't that he wouldn't. It's because there's no possibility of his doing so because the country intends to keep him in his place

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and still does. So. The only way a Negro teenager could make it is a step outside that system. No, to become an effective criminal on whatever level, no to become an operator, like ready to make it all to turn the Malcolm X. He kind of tear

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down our homes, brother, when the white man try to tell on your homes and it's time for you to do something. But what can we do? We don't know anything about what's going on. I mean, we try to go to the beach and things like that

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way watch television. We watch all this about Birmingham down there. Just like Malcolm X said yesterday on television. He said the white man he talked about, uh, truth in our, uh, just man. Mr King. He down there talking about Yeah. Can we get some kind of,

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uh can we get some kind of, uh, cooperation? Can we get some kind of truth down there? What are they doing down there? They're not doing anything. I'm calling him a chunk. Just like Malcolm X College. He's a chump, And, uh, but I think a black

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Muslim is writing some of his doing. And I think that our troops down there is impossible. It's utterly impossible. It's fantastic. And it's unbelievable way they're talking about better job jobs right here. Your change. What kind of job? They're gonna give up. They're gonna let us

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tear down our own homes out here. Another sport. That's the job we getting. Can You know what they're gonna pay us? Let me tell everything. Gonna feel they're gonna pay you $2 an hour. They're gonna holler some kind of apprenticeship deal or something like that. Like

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what else? is that Gannon? You not getting you a thing, you won't get anything. They'll help you take your cat on your own homes. It's a job temporarily. And then what you gonna do? What you gonna live? You're not gonna live anywhere. They're not even in

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the process of trying to tell you where you're gonna live. All they're talking about. 10 down. Well, I've been in San Francisco about 18 years Ever since I was about a year old. And you look around you too. Yeah. E have no more than tearing them

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down E e No, Mom, There ain't gonna be no fresh when they get through way Gonna be living out on the street with job Doesn't make you feel bad You can't make you feel bad Won't be no place to go We'll be living out here on

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the streets Intent What would you like to see? Oh, part of San Francisco E Stay up here on top of hell E Have you been living on top ever since I've been born? I got beaten up baby of people's party. Mm. Where they invited me. E

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was at the party, for example the opening of the black. My brother was there. The man in the Black Sea. Johnson's play. You know that. You know, people who reduced it would be what we call liberal. But there was a girl at the party was flirting

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with my brother. She looked like when Travolta and this upset the hose. He was drunk and he won. What happened was it was a big heart. And I was with David on the other side of it was a big blond check. So what? Look, who cares?

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Then? David him over to me and said that he was going I I knew he wasn't going to be wanted. Thio. Interesting. I tell him No, my brother or something was wrong. It doesn't matter. And the host came over there and said that Yes, my brother

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to leave. I said why? And he said he wouldn't tell me. And I said, You ask my but you're not going to my brother violations for Mia. They're gonna throw me out until you tell me why. And we had a fistfight. We had a fistfight. Wow!

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This jacked our hotel. Yes, your God! But I can't imagine what stayed out of it. Now we're turning onto Fannies. Roll? Yes. Where are you? The cars sold everything else. This is the woman. Was that the ST Mary's Cathedral? Uh, this bomb building here, I mean,

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not bomb, but I mean, look, I e but this is gonna be torn down, but this will not be the site of the cathedral is going to change it. Very horrible. Oh, yeah. This'll started one night. They had some of the kids were having a dance

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downstairs, right. Tickets for along, which is better. The whole thing. There's results. The Catholic Church was able to raise $15 million to build another people. Uh, some people know how to make it much. Wow. Did it in 19 months. Wow. As far as organized religion can

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be said to play any role, this played a role very much like. I mean, this It's that role very much like that of Ross Barnett. I know. They think they haven't, You know, they think that they I don't think they're Christian. And I know they're not

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well that No, I was raised Christian. No, My dad and my mom was very religious. And then you many of the white Christians were are Christians because the way that you did black people as a Christian church in this country has never in my experience, never.

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As far as I know, being Christian, the record is much more than is much more than shameful record. Didn't record proves that as we stand here as of this moment, Christian churches bankrupt. It's not a single person I could turn to if I were trying to

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deal with one of those boys who told me to yesterday if I tried to tell him to go to church or even suggested the name of Jesus Christ spit in my face. Is that because he doesn't like my face? Because it's because of what white Christians

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have done and do, and now denies all these churches Absolutely meaningless. They're almost blast. They don't mean it. They should know they should. Okay, so Christianity become a kind of social club. You have to have a membership card to get in. Black people can't have a

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membership card. Actual Christianity at the moment looks rather like that shirt, Professor Shell, God shop for me. What God show e Think the guard stops. Another god shop said. So A whole lot of desperate people. What we can hear, call the failure of Christianity really know

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people in the guard shops there. That gives them the only. There's only one of the few places they can go to find any way of getting through the day, dealing with landlord and pawnbroker on Children in the whole horrible complex of forces which bear you down

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every day. One no longer accept this whole notion of heaven. Later, in a concentration camp here, one of the crucial things are being American. Negro is the one who's always looked at the man because you had to look at him. There was no one else look

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at, and he had power of the gun Bible all that. No one had to find out who he wasin. Only people live. What's happened by this time is that we know, speaking on his Negro what's happened to the mask in the sense of the mask he's

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never had to look at all. He assumed that I was only there to give him a cigar and making cheer him up. When he didn't feel too well, he suddenly discovered that that wasn't my role in all. I imagine the easy, even by person working to

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San Francisco to imagine everything was a piece. It certainly looks that way, you know, on the surface, there was much prettier than New York. It's easier to hide. You got the view of the hill. You got the San Francisco legend, too, she said. It's a cosmopolitan

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and forward looking, but it's just another American city. And if you're a black man, that means it's a better thing to say. Children dying here There are New York from the very same reason. Okay, let's see some a better place to lie about it, Really all

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that comes to Nobody wants to destroy the image of San Francisco because the Negro hasn't had Yes, well, it's a few Caucasians staying, you know? Uh huh. Well, I know a lot about housing projects in New York. I'm sure this isn't different. All house there, some

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of the same problems, Although the building exterior looks experience, it's small, but that's the whole point, you know. But I know what goes on inside. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure that in the housing body I know the housing. Hundreds of New York kids despised

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you gotta have better. Housing in the ghetto is not a policy, not policy you can create. You could build a few better plants, but you cannot do anything about the ball and psychological effects of being in the ghetto. That's this. This is the point. Everybody living

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in those housing projects just as endangered as never before. By all the things that get on me about raising the kid London's housing projects, I would still have at the front door, probably right next door in the house and project. Okay, All the things I was

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trying to escape that means such things as I mean, even from such things A dealing with insurance companies. If I want five insurance, look to, in fact, that in the playground, my boy, my girl will be exposed to to a man who sells narcotics, for example,

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to million forces which are inevitably said emotionally and people I despise. You can't pretend, but you're not despise if you are. You said yesterday that you were gonna be food. I could be fooled. Be glad about having through whatever it is. She matched the tag. Darryl.

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Terrorism will be a garage, but it like it won't be if my kids are being destroyed. That's fantastic. There's a big Syria's store now. They had one big fight here at one time two particles. But they I had a feeling sales partner himself, for sure. They're

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very proud of it. Behold the city. Yes. Yes. Now that now you could look down upon all of the less than the dishes Kinds of hospital. Other large buildings are going up so that you could see your high rise apartments. Everything else is taking place. And

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this area is only, um, very good transportation in this area. Beautiful weather to genuine some of the best god terraces to Oh, yes, All right. Yeah. Come on, then. Struck by certain blank. This the American bases You always have all been struck by a certain blank

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facing in a bank. Okay, once blanket suspicious, it's hard to describe exactly. E always think it is. Let me do it. Always think it has something to do with Negro to me. Do it. Okay. Their pretenses goes don't exist. Thistle is developing here. That really uh

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that is l w housing project which will be interracial. I will say this. People who are renting it now. 70% Our park Asian, 30% Negro. It's not completed. But, um, the RMT really good account of itself. I mean, they're trying to make sure then above that

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would be the ICA homes and so forth, which Iceland's always let me close by if they had the money. All of them apartments. I mean, their houses cost from 22,000 after 30 times. So naturally, it's automatically a lot of people, I conclude, correct me if I'm

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wrong. But all this has something to do with money. Land has been reclaimed for money that you bring up the house, speak to make a profit. It seems to me I'm not attacking what it's called the profit motive. There's some things one important profits I love.

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New York City turned into a desert. Same reason. But it's happening family Cisco. Now this is no one decided. He made the assumption in certain acts on the assumption that to make money is more important than half citizen. Be paying to our price for this because

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this is really what it's doing, Tomenko Children, which is God knows bad enough. It is what it does my Children Oh, believing there is more important to make a profit than it used to be A man. Let's make a society really operates. I don't care what

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society says. This is what it operations the golden sense these girls on birth of a man. Adolescents mowing Are you working on, baby? So I'm not What has been somewhat of What is that? Some of your problems to please has a Negro in San Francisco. My

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main problem is finding a job. Yes, They'll talk to a girl, a white fellow workers stays. You got to say it was two months and he got two jobs. I've been here. You I work about through steady jobs and I look every day just like he

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said. He started out. He looked maybe once, twice. Then he working for the station. We belong somewhere. And he told me from his own mouth who was on top. He didn't come out and say it just like I'm gonna see it. But he came out and

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told me that you got to know somebody sounds just go to get somewhere. And by north of l gotta be somebody with authorities and nobody's Francisco. No colored man got no authority and I mean, no. There are no Negro leaders in San Francisco. Did you feel

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having you? There are few. Do you know any? No. I don't know anything but the ones that get up there. Once I get up there, they don't want help. Nobody one has no one. No one has ever helped you. E o even the least damaged those

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kids will have to put it is mild as it can be put. Mama, we have to be a little sodomy. A little sardonic about who, uh, things that he's in television. What President says and all those movies about being a good American and all that jazz.

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Hey, look at this. Look over there. Look up here. Mhm, and he will despise people you know were able to have tremendous gap between their performance and their profession. But the ball. But the more damage kids, you feel like blowing it up. So you feel like

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blowing it up, speaking only for myself that I feel I feel a little sardonic. I'm civilized, I think. But this time my life and I would have felt just like just like blowing it up. What's more crucial. What's more terrible is how, since once in the

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main, let alone in terms of any help you can get from the country in this effort, how you get through to the least damaged kids. Now, I don't know what I could say, which would make any sense of them, because, in fact, it doesn't make any

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sense now with all these beautiful buildings. Now they're going to be ringed in by hostile people, just like right after New York hostile and frightened people because they don't want they walk down the street and wonder why. First Negro boy, they see looks and looks at

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them and that he wants to kill them. And if you get a chance, tries, it's because he can't go to Asia. You know he can't because he can't. There's no he has no ground to stand here. They can't tell. Yesterday I got no country. I got

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no fly. And it isn't because he was born paranoia that he said that because the performance of the country for his 18 years and it has proven that how one manages to make these people's blind people begin to see, but taste any baby about that, Dooling.

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It has absolutely no foundation. And it really does not have any foundation is going to come down one way or another. We will correct. What's wrong? It'll be corrected for us. Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. Right next to the morning Star machinery about this church thing is

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one of the really little God shops. Why? People have always thought that Negroes churches, senior dancing, playing whether they were really quite single minded and happier than like another white people. What goes on looking God shops, You know, exactly. Thinking is going on now in the

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Muslim temples. But no one, no one has ever made that connection. They want you. They want to think we were happened. So they didn't think we would have all designed to prove how. How Christian have simple minded and our uncomplicated Negroes. Our company is one of

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the She buys one of their restaurants in San Francisco. You see that? This is this could be called a kind of logical evolution. Yes. And here you can buy church. Mohammed speaks here too. A lot of times they set them all up and down the street

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here on the corners. This corner had added in Turk, and and also that feel more in center is one of our favorite spots that they sell paper. It's kind of answer Thio Riel attitude toward Negroes as exemplified still by the press, you know, as in the

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arts director is about it, is the Let me read you something very science minister to that for something scintillating Negroes, your divine Muhammad speaks only to find out what's happening. Yeah, because the white press doesn't want to know. And it still is built on the curious

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theory that if you don't say it, it ain't happening. I was just forget about it. Yeah, I had no my do You Need just published its right of magazine discussion. The nurse said it wasn't true. They said, It's not for our readers lessons that seems to

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make perfect sense to them. Doesn't mean anything. Told me, you know, I mean, what do they? Well, then what are they in business for? That's where that goes well over to our left. Now is the whole film or theater that's abandoned now. Which realization just hope

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to sell? Some Negro has thio that's right, or sat down with church Do you think they would sell it? Thio, Malcolm for mosque. I suppose they would. Oh yes, where they get your money. And here's another one of the famous hickory pets were more soul food

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is sold in a nursing vacant building and off to our left. Here is one Negro hotel. That's all. The only Negro telling. Yes, it's called The Book of the Washington, Yes, actually thistles the street that all Negroes of on our street or Negroes have to survive.

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What would you Washington Baptist Church in on the mosque? Mhm. That's really great attribute. Great thing to be summed up in that one could looking at this speed now, look to washing hotel. What comes to your man about, uh, some type of music or some passion

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from the Bible that describes describes this Sing the Lord's song in a strange land? I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure those cats cross streets and dance like, you know, their white counterparts can The reason they can't because they in a way they must. It

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is. He's got to come out somehow. It's got to come out somehow. No, and the pressure is great enough has come out in a certain kind of Negroes have great style. E think this is true, even if a town showing the stick and why people don't

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have much time And one of the reasons that Negroes have a certain style is because they are aware of the conditions of their lives. They can't fool themselves about it, you know? And when Negro laughs or tries to make love all or eaves or dances, it's

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kind of total action. E don't mean this way. White levels are really gonna think. I mean, I don't mean they're much more sensual, more primitive, more, most spontaneous. All this if the jazz, I mean I mean, they live. They live on another level of experience, which

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has allowed them as much room as much room that make believe his white people have. Oh, Bob, that's the one that far everyone, you know. Yeah, every American black man knows there's something that American white men on the grip of some extraordinary sexual paranoia they really

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are. What that comes from is probably a story for some other some other time and place, and indicate such a long, terrible story so complicated that we couldn't begin to discuss it except by examining if you like no such things. Well, we we talk about him.

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We were reinforced. Now the range between black and white men in this country has always been the most extraordinary. And once doesn't he really in it? A terrifying invention. And it goes all the way back from the first time in any American started writing and has

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something to do with the Indians. If one could crack that not really open. That can be, if one could they find, try to find out and listen. What about the Negro scandal? Exactly what Negro means to a white man? I don't mean what he means in

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terms of signing petitions and marches, picket signs and all that jazz. I mean, what do you really mean? No, Why are you afraid of him? That's when it comes to you. Want to begin to examine that when my then begin to be able to deal with

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what is a really quite simple matter? Well, I'll tell you speaking, let's say you might examine that in the conundrum of the housing situation in San Francisco will not be a conundrum, that it is based on that and all the lives. Americans tell themselves all the

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evasions. They give themselves a basis on fantastic escape all day from Europe and then from the Indian and now spectacularly from me. It's insane. Well, by the time I was 12 years old, in spite of everything else, I knew that I was on a monkey. No,

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I knew I was not one of the lower animals I needed. If I wasn't a those things, can I? Obviously, I was, man. And all white men have known this about all black men ever since I've ever seen a black man. The light is in the

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evening. You can't be ignored. That means if 100 years, the country's lying about what a man is and the buildings come in because it turns out, isn't it? You have not succeeded in making me less than a man. But you made yourself less than that. What?

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You mean you meant something about white liberals? I don't think the white literally, Although he feels that he's been quite closest, I don't think that he even has been able to understand this. Especially this idea about the same thing has been going on, uh, when the

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Muslim movement as well with your small Just don't even think he e He's felt he's been really close. I don't think you inspected it because, well, why liberals think of themselves, Missionary. I don't kind of fight once with very well known valuable. But I said in

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the course of my conversations and we have Mr Charlie, listen, man has been around for a long, long time. He said, Who's Mr Charlie? I was shocked that he didn't know. No, I told him that. Mr Charlie. What? You're Mr Charlie. All right, man, In this

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job, the liberals have protected themselves against this level of experience because their principle motive so far been so far been, far as I can tell, are kind of alleviation and over our protection of their own consciences. They want to do something to help me grow because

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it makes them feel better. But prices they paid for this kind of effort is they've never discovered when you grow is not what but who. Only a liberal, for example, could write the script of refinement. No Negro could No, no neoliberal can be offended. John Fisher,

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Harper's magazine depend when you know when when when Negroes make some. I missed a couple indication they're going to. They don't want anymore. This is the record. You see. They really think that somehow the record of Negro people's survival in this country is something I would

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congratulate themselves, and they don't know that. So every one man's live 20 perished that whatever the Negroes managed to hear was done against tremendous, tremendous opposition of power structure. I don't mean they weren't some white people management, but in the in the generality, this is the

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way it's been. In other words, when it's fought very hard for what everyone's gone well, give me. Do you ever feel that white liberal ever become a foot soldier with us? I mean, he's up in. Always decide. I mean giving up some information fighting this net,

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But do you ever do you feel that he become a foot soldier with us in this struggle? In this battle, I'd like to feel that you broke up, would become a foot soldier, but there's no evidence so far. You can't become a foot, cannot become a

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foot soldier till he's willing to give up all those preoccupations which allow him to be saving us until he's gonna do something even harder. Just realized that if he's gonna do it, he's not doing it for me often Negroes doing for himself and that if he's

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not, if it means enough to and then he has to be prepared to risk everything he has from his status to his child. I mean, that's what we have to do. A lot of times you feel right. Like a lot of times when things get really

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tough that he could escape, he could weaken. Revert back tomorrow on the white liberalism, things get stuck twenties yourself. A white woman, a white woman told me a few weeks ago she had she had the bad luck to be sitting in the same room with about

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20 students who would talk, you know, telling like it is. Jerry Brown was there, and she was one of the few wide level in the liberals in the room, and she was. And what he was saying, in fact, was, you know, white people don't know enough

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about us. Be able help us. White people say one thing and do another way. All of the steps of the truth, and she was told to tell behind it really hurt. And she said, I'm sure done more Negroes, Dave than they've ever done. I got mad

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and I said, Let's study what they were saying. They only don't think Negroes No. They want you to do it for you. You said, Well, I'm not really. I'm not willing to damage my child. She said I said, Well, then forget it. That is what it

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comes to myself at all speaking for myself, you know, it's kind of insult. I hear I am. You know, there is no visible scar. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not isolated. I got a family, you know, in the history. And I've got nieces and nephews. E

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can protect that. They're they're in tremendous danger off every hour that they live just because they're black because they're wicked. No, I mean, this one with the baby needs Thio. Oldest nephew around 16. Well, if this is the way that this is where they are No.

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And I know that every time I leave my nephew, I don't know what happened. What happened to him both time I see him again. I mean, not only inside. But physically, how can you expect me to take seriously? Somebody says I'm going to fight for you,

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but I can't afford to let my Children get it. You know I can't afford that. My Children advantage. And furthermore, how could I take seriously, Somebody doesn't realize that Children are being damaged by this because by the continuation of the system, you can't you know you

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can't serve as they say two masters, you know, the liberal can't be safe and and heroic too. In other words, you want to become so safely get behind the safe yourself. Yes, I try. I try. He's with you, but not when the going gets rough And

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really what I really mean? The problem is that he doesn't. If you could, you could put it. Think of it in those terms and you don't see the gravity of the situation. You don't see them that we're living in a segregated society, just terrible things. That

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my child is terrible things to your child too. If you don't see that, that I don't think you see any mostly roots, Roxy, that the only way in America illusions one of the way American necessities. It's a belief that or benighted black man who may say

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elephant ridden jungles of Africa doing that block of Bible is still grateful for that. And people say in many, many ways, not only in the South, all over this country. In fact, you should be grateful, even even slavery. It released you from that. No longer dodging

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Pepsi flies in some backward country. Well, I love this. Anyone who's ever tried to live knows this. The what you say about somebody else. You know, anybody else revealed you Well, I think of you as being is dictated by my own necessities. My own psychology, my

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own Here on desire. I'm describing you talk about you describing me now here in this kind of got something called a ***. It doesn't In such terms, I beg you to remark exist in any other country in the world, we have invented the *** I didn't

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invent. White people invent. I've always known. I had to know by the time I was 17 years old, what you were describing without me what you were afraid of was not me healthy. Something else. You were invented it, so it had to be something you were

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afraid off You invested me with. Now that's so no matter what you've done to me, I can say to you this I mean it. I know you can't do anymore. I've got nothing to lose. And I know And I've always known no. And with the always

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That's part of the happy. I've always known that I'm not a ***. But if I am not the *** And if it's true that your eventual revealed you and who is the name? I'm not a victim. I know one thing from another. I know. I want

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a born and I'm going to be, You know, I was born in when Something I'm gonna die. Hello. You get through life. There's another worst things about it that a person is more important than anything else. Anything else? I learned this because I had to learn.

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But you still think I gather the *** is necessary? It is unnecessary to me. So it must be necessary to you. So I give you your problem back. You're the *** baby, isn't me