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Mhm. Okay. Yes, yeah. Good afternoon. Welcome to the afternoon show. We have actress kim Meharry on with us this afternoon. You may know her from ST elsewhere in the television show, but she has just completed a project about the

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life of john Lennon and Yoko Ono. It's called john and Yoko a love story and she plays Yoko Ono. She's not got some incredible stories about it's gonna play on NBC next week, incredible stories about shooting that particular television movie and what went on and about

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a story about the original actor that was hired to play john Lennon but had to be let go and we'll tell you why later on. Yes, we also have Willie Brown with us. He is the California State Assembly Speaker. As you know, we're going to find

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out why. He is one of the most outspoken, one of the most flamboyant and well dressed politicians in America. Were also going to hear about his very good friendship with our first guest. Our first guest has been a leader in men's fashions for almost 20 years

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now. He and his rich and famous clients are constantly in the news Shirley Maclaine Tony Bennett, Willie Brown, Mikhail Baryshnikov are among his biggest fans. Would you please welcome san Francisco's own fashion king himself. Mr Wilkes Bachelor. Okay, good afternoon, welcome to our digs. Thank you

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for inviting me and your digs by the way are beautiful. Your store is fabulous for those people who haven't had the experience of walking in Wilkes bashford and seeing this wonderful store. What kind of customer expect when he comes into your store. Hopefully when they come

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in, they'll be very nicely greeted. I think what they can expect most of all is a staff that really is concerned about the person coming in to visit us and concerned about your lifestyle and how we can serve you as far as your apparel is concerned.

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But it's an event. I mean, when you grow into Wilkes bashford, I mean you're not just going into a story, you're going into an event. We try to make an event. I happen to believe that shopping should be a very exciting experience. I don't, it shouldn't

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be something that's drudgery and for many years people thought it was and we tried to put some excitement into it and I feel there's a great affinity between shopping and retailing and show business, and we try to run the store that way. It's a very relaxed

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atmosphere. I remember one time you and I went in after lunch, as I recall, and they have, it's wonderful. They have a little wine bar there so that you can have a little a glass of wine or a Perrier if you'd like. That's not to encourage

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people to spend, I don't think so. We like when people come in after lunch if you've had a couple of glasses of wine and we give you the third, the prices look a little bit more reason they do that. They did that day, as I recall

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two pairs of shoes later, I remember that particular case, we know, I think we would be remiss if we didn't mention the litigation that's pending. You're having a problem with the city of san Francisco. They say you owe some background and all and we have agreed

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for obvious reasons not talk about it because it is pending. So now we're going to discuss but I just want to ask how does something like that affect business? Basically, one of the nice things about the the difficult season that we've had as far as the

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our rent dispute with the city of san Francisco is that the city has been tremendously supportive. People have continued to shop with us, actually, our businesses ahead of what it was a year ago. And the support that we've received from the city is very heartwarming to

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me and to all of our staff. So basically that's been a nice positive side of this dispute. Well you have wonderful fashions in your store and we're gonna see some right now, we're gonna see some wonderful men's fashion, Probably some great ideas for christmas and things

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like that. So maybe you can tell us what we're going to see. We're looking at Weber here. Weber is actually wearing a silk robe and silk pajama set that I think would make a great christmas gift for anyone. It's designed, you can do in our ladies.

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That's alright. It's fine. It's actually designed by a company called petals. It is all jacquard silk uh looks great when you get up in the morning and throw that on and it feels great when you put it on in the evening and to go to bed

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and we don't want to get hung up in prices and all wilkes. But what would something like this cost? I guess if you wanted the robe and the Pajamas, both, we'd be up in the vicinity of around $1400. Yeah, that would put you to sleep. You'd

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want to wear it a lot. Thank you Weber very much. Thank you. Now this looks very athletic. Now this gentleman actually is one of the, one of our associates at Wilkes Patch and he was kind of drafted into modeling today, but what he's wearing is very

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athletic and it illustrates an important trend in fashion right now, in the things that were generally seen in the gym, around the tennis courts are now being seen on the street and uh athletic wear has become a very important source of fashion trends. In fact, I'd

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like to ask Alexa question if I might, how does that fit into your lifestyle Alex? Well, basically, this would be something that I would wear to the gym or the wilkes, bashford man would wear to the gym, all the components are here. That's alright, you can

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ruin all ladies, That's what it's all right, of course after you. I love that tank top, those pounds. You put on the robe instead of a jacket or whatever. Oh, I love the long road. It really becomes great at home where in addition to something to

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put on that, you know, after the workout at the resort. Yeah. And it's comfortable, very comfortable, very loose, that cling to the body and it's a it's a very durable fabric too. So it's, you can be real rough with it and what's even better? It doesn't

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cost $1400. What would something like that? I think probably all the component parts together must be under $400, wouldn't they be Alex? Now john is with us next with a little more kind of that athletic look, john definitely illustrates uh sweatpants or gym pants that would

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be very appropriate on the street. Be great to go to the movies. Wonderful to shop in on Saturdays. Great to go to napa marin County and actually his entire outfit is by one of Italy's most important designers. Gianfranco Ferrari beautiful sweater. Now, Mark is in a

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very nice sport coat there now, this is real flamboyant. This is what we call the cutting edge of sports, where as far as sports jackets are concerned, it's probably one of the most avant garde of the type of jackets that we would sell because of its

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white shoulders. The pattern is obviously not subtle. Take a look at his pants, which I believe are triple pleaded, they're quite full and you were the one that really brought pleated pants to San Francisco years ago actually, I have to say we did. Did people laugh

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at you then and say, this is not going to work? Well, it's probably hard for your viewers today to imagine that in 1966 it was a pretty bold move to show pleated pants rather than plain front pants. Uh today, probably 90% of the pants that we

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sell our pleaded. But in 1966 it was considered a big step forward. Well, they're wonderful fashions that we're going to see more of Wilkes Bashford fashions right after this. Stay tuned. Okay, okay, mm hmm. Mhm, mm hmm. Visiting this afternoon with Wilkes bashford. Seeing some fabulous

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fashions from his men's store. He also has a women's store. It used to be incorporated into you're men's store as well. Used to have them side by side. But now you've we've moved across Sutter street and we have a beautiful actually three story women's store right

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opposite our men's store at 3 75. Sutter Street. And like the men's store are many of the garments, one of a kind, basically we try to buy in very limited quantities. So that san Francisco after all, isn't that big a city. And when we're selling designer

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women's where we maybe by three or four of each item, You were saying you opened your store in 1966. What were you doing before that? Actually before that I was in New York for a year as fashion director of Federated Department stores and prior to that

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I was here in San Francisco as a merchandiser at the White House department store, which is now since the sea. Yes, parking garage, they warned us it would be a parking graduate. We didn't buy a little more careful what made you decide that you wanted to

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open your own exclusive, essentially. Once I moved back to new york and I decided I would like to return to san Francisco, it seemed to be the best opportunity to return was to do something on my own. And I felt San Francisco was ready for a

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store that was a little bit more forward thinking for men. Everything was very traditional in 1966 it was Brooks, Brothers and Robert Kirk and they had beautiful clothes, but they were very, very conservative and I felt that menswear was ready to move forward just a little

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bit, nothing drastic but those pleated pants that we talked about, Double breasted blazers and things that today seemed rather calm and mild, but they were fairly substantial steps forward. In 1966, let's take a look at some more of your offerings in the way of fashions, we

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have John with us once again. Now I talked to Wilkes before and I had a request to request, he said if can we move real close so we can see that the fabric of this sports coat up close, real up close so that we can see

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all the beautiful colors that are in that are in the jacket. The reason for that is men's work for years was either gray, brown or navy. And about eight or nine years ago a designer named alexander Julian entered the men's we're seeing and he is one

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of the few in our industry that designs his own fabrics as well as his clothes. And most of the fabrics are made in Scotland or in England and he puts in some very unusual coloring in this jacket. You've got magenta and purple and shades of blue

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and you, if you look at the jacket up closer, wonderful coloring in it and when you do have a lot of colors like that, it gives you a much more, much more area to match accessories. Exactly. And women have been wearing great colors for many years

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and there was no reason why men couldn't. And actually alexander Julian made a big contribution to the industry when he started putting together unusual colors as you see, they're actually the entire outfit that john is wearing is from alexander Julia. Thank you john very much Weber.

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Well, now this seems very dressy. Now, this is what we would call the top of our line in our menswear store. We have a section where we carry almost entirely european merchandise and everything that Weber is wearing is from bryan and bryony probably makes the finest

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garment available for men today that the top coat. The suit everything is, is from bryan Brittany is essentially um totally handmade, Let's say about 90% Hammett. I don't want to exaggerate. And because of that you get a fit that you can't get on most other people's

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garments. It's very expensive. Willie Brown has probably done more for bryan. Actually. Willie Brown's body seems to reject anything except that they're beautifully made. And even though they're very expensive, I think that they're a good value. It's a beautiful the topcoat was that a black coat?

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Top coat is black Kashmir. It is black casual. So often you see coats that they shared black coats, their deep navy blue. This is that it's a beautiful black cashmere. But this suit just fits into it. Beautiful. Would you say that Italians are the best at

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making suits? I would say they definitely are the best. It's, it's within their heritage. They've been making them for centuries and they wear them with such style with the camel's hair coat thrown. I wanted to mention one thing that's important that suit that Weber has on

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was not altered for him. All we did was finish the bottoms and that's it. On the bottom, on the pants. That suit is the way so you can tell the story. So you can imagine with tailoring exactly. Of course we have to do a lot of

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tailing on Willie Brown because he doesn't quite have weber's body. We'll get back at you. He's going to get you in a minute. Mark explain what Mark is wearing. Actually. Mark is wearing a suit by another italian gentleman named luciano Barbera. And the, the thing that's

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uh to me very pleasing about Barbera is again the fabrics, but also the silhouette. If you look at the shoulder line, he generally works in less formal fabrics than bryan and this would be a more casual business suit obviously. And his paisley tie paisley is real

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big paisley is very important this season of both men's and women's. Now, what Alex is wearing this time, we considered to be an extremely important category in menswear. It's what we call alternative eveningwear in san Francisco and the bay Area. And actually around the country, there

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are many, many more black tie events in recent years than there were previously. And a lot of men got really tired of wearing just a very straightforward formal tuxedo. So we have all in our industry been trying to find alternative ways for men to dress for

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parties for social events that are a little more exciting. So that was like a velvet bomber jet is a velvet bomber jacket by a chap in paris named Gautier, who's one of the most avant garde of the world's designers today. The brocade jacket with, I think

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it's elephants in it, elephants really won't like that. I hope it's not elephants. What is it? Unicorns? That's better. And another trend that is really very much on the forward cutting edge is jewelry for men, two for parties in the evening and so forth. And the

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jewelry that Alex has around his neck is very appropriate for parties at christmas time. Well, it looks like it looks like we have somebody here. Did somebody crash this? Did someone break in? Willie Brown? Okay. Mhm. Looking as dapper, Would you like to describe what Mr

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Brown is wearing? Well, first of all, I would like to comment that this suit spent three weeks in the tailor shop and in actuality this suit this tuxedo, The shawl collar brioni tuxedo was designed by the speaker of the house. Uh He's about to set a

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record or in a couple of years I guess as he has for his longevity as speaker of the house, but in case anything goes wrong, he wants to have another field of endeavor. So he is becoming quite a design. And you designed this? You designed this.

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Hello, I'm fine. Nice to see you. Will you please sit down and you designed this tuxedo? The shawl collar tuxedo? Yes. Um I suppose some two or three years ago um having to use a tuxedo almost every other week. It becomes really boring to keep wearing

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the same tuxedo over and over and the double breasted and the single breasted the peak lapels and all that just didn't go. So, I started talking to Wilkes about the possibility of a shawl collar tuxedo made more on a single breasted models so that there was

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not a lot of material and not a whole lot of shaw. And we went to work on it And this is what it turned out And you like the double, it's more, it's the double breasted look And that's what you like in suits. Well, it hides

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the weight. What? Wait labor of the program. We're going to meet an actress who have played Yoko Ono and upcoming tv movie in a moment. We're going to be back with Wilkes bashford and Willie Brown. America's best dressed politician. And as we go to a commercial

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break, take a look at this video because it's Willie Brown in a jefferson Starship video. We'll be back in just a minute. Thank you. Mm hmm. Well you've got a glimpse of our next guest is the fashionable finale in the Wilkes bashford fashion show. We just

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had, he's been called the best dressed politician in America. The stylish speaker of the California state assembly here wearing another one of his fabulous creations that he's designed. Would you welcome Speaker Willie Brown? Mm hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yes. Thank you. You are changing clothes a

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lot this afternoon, aren't you? Well, you got to get out of those tuxedos. I can't show up next to him in a tuxedo. Now do you dress like this? I mean we always see you in a suit or a tuxedo, but do you have time to

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Oh yes. Oh yes. Oh yes. Quite often, as a matter of fact, 4-9 Football Games, sometimes dinner at Fox City or any of the kind of casual things that you do our shopping on saturday afternoon at the store. Now you designed that said you designed this

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bomber jacket? Yes. About well, I guess this bomber jacket has got to be four or five years old because I think it's about three at least at least that was four years old. You'll be wanting to buy another one Anyway, we wanted to do something interesting

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with leather and in the process he's been trying to get me in a mink for years. And so we started torn with the idea of a bomber jacket mink lined. And we produced it. This is, this is like a butter leather, it is so soft on

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the outside, it's just a and can you imagine it's had, it's had a few errands. So you designed it, you liked what you saw and now you have them in the store actually, what happened? I want to tell the story a little bit differently. Willie got

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the idea that he would like a mink lined bomber jacket and once Willy gets an idea, you know, he thinks it's hanging there on the rack. Well there aren't too many mink lined bomber jackets hanging around on racks and men's stores. So once Willie got the

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idea my life was misery until he got the jacket. So I had to go to Italy, I was going on a trip anyway, get the jacket made for Willie and Italy and it turned out so well, I I think I gave Willie that jacket for christmas.

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That is correct, and that's the only dividend that I've ever gotten from this association. But since I'm sure it showed up on my bill increased, there's no question, there's no question but an answer to your question since it turned out. So, well, I thought, well maybe

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Willie won't notice if we just have a few more made up and put them in the store. Well we did that they sold and Willie did notice and that was very upsetting because I really wanted this to be the only one, but you only made, we

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sold all the rest of the people from way out of town. Is it true that you keep a list of your one of a kind pieces like this when you only make like two or three, and then if somebody from san Francisco comes in and says,

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well, I'm gonna buy this mink lined bomber jacket, you tell them that there's somebody else in town, we do on items as expensive as this, we do it on on expensive women's ready to wear pieces and we do it on a mink lined bomber jacket and

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we try to make sure that some of them literally do go out of the city, go to new york, maybe out of the country so that we don't have people, several of the same items in the same city, and the brioni suits are treated similarly. There

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just, you know, you $1,502,000 for a suit of $2200 for a cashmere sport coat. You're certainly not interested in having it showing up everywhere you go. How many brioni suits do you want? Is this recorded? I really, I really don't know. Probably somewhere between what wilkes,

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35 and 50 Maybe. I don't know. I mean, you are known as a flamboyant dresser. Do you think that that helps or hinders you in the political world? Well, first of all, it's a misrepresentation. There's nothing unusual about the clothing that I wear. They are their

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quality and they fit and they are good color and you can wear them virtually forever. But there's nothing unusual. There are no yellow or chartreuse flavored clothes that I wear. I wear clothes like ross McCowen cost about. But let me tell you what you wear and

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what I wear. Really? It's kind of a statement. It's a it's a it's now kind of a trademark for me. The I. R. S. Has not yet agreed with, but it is kind of a trademark for me and it is a positive. When I go down

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to Porterville, California to make a speech to the Chamber of Commerce, the guy who introduces me talks about the clothing that I'm wearing and saying this is what we should be wearing. My membership in the house whenever they get the opportunity will come over and show

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me that they brought something new. And is it all right? Is this tie okay with this? And so part of having developed the reputation of being well dressed, it gives me an entree and a relationship with people that I otherwise would not happen. Do you find

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that even if a Willie Brown can get in a rut in what they wear? I think a lot of men find certain things they could have a closet full of clothes and they find certain things they like and you wear it time and time again. I'm

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certainly guilty of that. Well, my problem is a little different than that. I forget what I bought and this store is so awful, they won't tell you, oh, you already have that piece. I'll go to an I find I have the same tie three times, usually

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a little differentiated. So yes, ross, you do get into red, you decide that there's something that you really like, There's a color that you really like. But the the beauty of Wilkes bashford marketing techniques and his selection techniques is he's right. The fabric will be essentially

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the same fabric with just a little bit different strand in it. He may put a light blue or or a little piece of green in it here, a little piece of green thread or a little piece of burgundy thread here and there. And it makes it

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just a little bit different. Not so much that you will have to hesitate about buying it, but enough so that it is distinguishable from what you paid incredible dollars for last. Mhm. We're gonna take a commercial break, we'll be right back. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Thank you.

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Wilkes bashford is with us this afternoon along with the speaker of the assembly, Willie Brown. How did the two of you meet? I'll answer that question if I may about I'm going to be about 19 years ago, which is when we first opened our shop on

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Sutter Street one afternoon. This gentleman came in with a couple of friends and he was looking through the suit, He probably thought we were, you know, actually, I didn't in any event he came through and he was going through the clothing very meticulously. And he asked

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some very, very intelligent questions about the clothes and I was sure that he was a competitor. I was certain he owned a store somewhere and after about an hour and a half and he didn't buy a darn thing actually. Uh he came up to the front

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of the store and introduced himself and I was impressed to have Willie Brown. They're actually we became friends, I'd say immediately and if remained the best of friends ever since a week later, I came back to the store and bought a suit to wear to an

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event at the Fairmont Hotel. I was making an appearance there and I saw this suit. It was dark brown with double thin chalk stripes, and I peak lapels invented. And so I selected that suit. Wilkes was at that time he was fit him, doing everything. He

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did the tailor and he did the book, he did it all, he did it all. And it was just a small shop. And he fitted me in this suit and he had to send it out. Of course, to have. My clothes require very little tailoring in

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spite of his representation. Very little, almost almost. But these are the sleeves needed to be lengthened. He fixed it up and send it out, and I said, deliver it to the fair amount. I'll just dress at the fair amount and go right on stage. And I

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had the presence of mind and route to the fair amount to go back home and get another suit just in case this untried quality didn't present itself right. And I was correct. I got he delivered the suit to the frame and he almost died. The gentleman

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that he had to lengthen the sleeves had shortened the sleeves, Is that true? Was better than the narrow suit. He came in. I'd love to know your opinion. I mean in the hurricane. We read you read where Governor Duke Nixon said he wouldn't buy a lottery

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ticket till Willie Brown buys a suit at Kmart. And your retort was, I'm buying him a Kmart suit for christmas and he'll be better dressed for it. Where did you get that? I don't know. But that was in hurricane. Yes. Well, you know, the Governor is

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a kind of a strange person. He, he does not like the lottery, opposed the lottery and had the responsibility to implement it. Didn't implement it for 10 months and all that money we could have been collected in the state to operate the schools and do some

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other things didn't happen. His hostility to the lottery is almost legend. And everywhere he goes now people raise the question Governor, when are you gonna buy a lottery ticket? Why don't you buy a lottery ticket? He hit upon the idea that I would never shop in

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Kmart. So he said, in order to be humorous, I think I will buy a lottery ticket the day Willie Brown Baeza suited Kmart while he has a suit coming for christmas And he will not have to report it because we only have to report things that

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cost more than $25. Let's talk about some of the other politicians. What do you think of President? Reagan's dress? President? Reagan is a fairly good dresser. He has not changed altered his dress and patterns since I suppose 1950 or so, but he's really got it down,

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it's to a science. You noticed that the shoulders don't look like shoulders that ordinary people wear, that? The pocket square is still across. The lapels are still wide. He still wears the kind of the large colors and it looks like it's his larger brothers Suit, but

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it is well done and it's reasonably well tailored and for his purposes at 74 years of age, he's in pretty good shape. What do you what do you think about jimmy carter? Well, jimmy carter didn't understand the presidency. The presidency is kind of a regal in

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terms of dress. And some people would say, well, well, that's not really relevant. You were right. It isn't relevant, but for those of us who interested in dress, it is the jimmy carter didn't didn't understand that the president was supposed to present a certain image. And

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when he showed up on television with that awful sweater that just didn't work. The president in this country is still, our heritage is still that of royalty. We still think in those terms we don't want him to be a dictator or what have you, but we

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do want him to set a pattern and an image. And that terrible sweater was just not a pattern in an image. And I think that hurt him. Jesse Jackson seems to have it together when it comes to dress? Well, I think Jesse Jackson starts out to

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out dress wherever whatever party he is going to come in contact with. Did you see him at the summit standing next to the gentleman from Russia Mr Gorbachev. And here he is in a, in a well tailored double breasted blue blazer with the buttons perfectly in

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place, a red tie and the collar standing just right and showing about maybe a quarter of an inch of, of linen at the end. And he was standing there like he was just stepped out of Gentlemen's Quarterly at some other place and this poor haggard gentleman

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wearing these funny looking baggage flow. The contrast was just phenomenal and it was the same when Jesse was a candidate for the presidency. You would see him on television with all these people and all of them look very Norwegian in their outfits that aren't blue suits

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and a light blue, light blue shirts and red ties and you know, they were spectacular in terms of Minnesota but not in. So it was Jesse presents a good image. Let me ask Wilkes because we've had Joel gray on a lot. Every time he comes on,

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Joel gray wears something from Wilkes, bashford and he always mentioned it the last time he was on, he was in kind of an unstructured plum jacket. Bright plum jacket, would you wear something like that? Would you wear something far out like that or I have to

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see you now you're trapping me. I have, I have one piece similar to that. I have a, I guess it's what banana yellow Claude Montana leather jacket, leather jacket. That is an interesting piece. And what happens with me in terms of my wearing apparel is that

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we, we will, I will have to be someplace. I will say, well, I'm scheduled to appear in Los Angeles for the Academy Awards. We got to do something and so well put together an outfit or Wilson. I'm scheduled to be in new york too for cuomo's

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dinner. We've got to do something. I'm gonna do lunch with somebody from, from CBS National or I'm gonna do dinner some other place and we've got to do it right. What do we do? And so we planned the program that way. And so when I buy

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pieces, I buy them for that purpose. Yes, I would wear it if I was going to an appropriate picnic if I was appearing someplace and that address for you is a real production to whatever event you're going to most of us, You know, I just throw

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on a coat. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no way, no way. I will change clothes four times in the morning before I step out of the house until I got it down. Right Until I know that it's right. Very fortunate to have a friend like

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Wilkes bashford to help you with that actually. It's, it's, it's not as difficult because he usually gives me about 17 minutes notice to get, well, we have to take a commercial break when we come back. We're going to meet actress Kim Meharry and talk about her

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role as Yoko Ono. Stay with us.