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could you tell us what is Mr Morel going to do today? Mr. Morel is going to resist the application of the government for granting him immunity and in order to get him to testify against the Black Panther Party. Now, why is he taking this action? Because

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it's a violation of his constitutional rights in that most of the questions they've been asking him is about his associations with various people, which is a violation of his political rights and civil rights. They're also asking him about some activity of the Black Panther Party. I

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think that, uh, the whole grand jury proceedings is a star chamber proceedings. Here's the immunity they offer total, in your view. No, it's not total in that he's not safe from state prosecution. What can happen to him if he refuses to testify? If he refuses to

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testify, he could be held in contempt of the grand jury. He could be sent to jail for about four or five months. Mr. Morel, could you tell me why do they want to talk to you in the first place? I, my assumption is that is just

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a continuous harassment. Black leadership, locally and nationally to suppress the Black Panther Party and not only to suppress the Black Panther Party leadership, but to suppress the Black Caucus leadership here in Oakland. Because of our effectiveness, I could see no logical, no rational reason for me

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being called before the grand jury today or any other time. Are you associated with the Black Panther Party? No. More than that. We're all going through the same plight. Liberation for black people. Were you formerly associated with them in any way? I was formerly the national

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chairman of the distribution department of Black Panther Party. Then you no longer hold that position. No, I don't.