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Mr Luster. Suppose you tell us the background of you for service. What is it? How did it start? What is the purpose of the organization? Well, you, for service begun has an idea of a young Quaker too. Let teenagers from depressed housing areas have a sort

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of a develop healthy development and trying to help others to short term, we can work projects. And then Karl May started you for service in our two of 19, uh, 57. And the whole idea was that Bye. Young people being able to give freely of themselves

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and to sort of have a channel where youthful energies could be challenged through constructive outlets and so forth on this has been one of the, uh, premises that we can carry over right up until today that these young people are given a chance to know that

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they wanted and some recognition on this type of area that they will respond. Have you encountered any opposition? Well, yes, naturally, we have our critics, and we're very happy that we have these critics because I feel that they keep us on our toes. I mean, that

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we recognize the fact that we're not uh, agency that has the complete answers. Like I've stated before, we do not have the cure all. So I think these people are necessary. Who are your critics? Well, the police department has been one of our critics. Although we

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hear again, I said, We welcome this because we feel that they have their viewpoint. They have a job to do. And we feel that, uh, in time maybe that we can prove that we are doing a worthwhile job. But at the same time, we recognize that

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they have a job to do, and we try to get the boys and useful service to recognize that they must uphold the law. If you're going to be a useful citizen, can be useful to the community itself and that there's a thin line between the practitioner

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and the large self, and that whenever you have a personality clash with an enforcer of the law, it doesn't lend itself for you to go out and commit an anti social off act. Now the boys have accepted that and that we have invited some of the

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officers down from a juvenile bureau on. We're going to have Captain Heller hand down and chief himself because we recognize this problem. But we're willing to, uh, sit down and talk to him about it and see what we can do now. There has been some criticism

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from some of the agencies, but here again, we feel that this is necessary. It's healthy. E mean, I think that you would find us any, uh, Democratic, uh uh, nation as a czars that this is a good thing to have the opposition. I mean, even the

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American Friends Service Committee. I mean, they feel that this is a healthy thing. I mean, we do not try to dodge our critics way, feel that this is a necessary thing and way Welcome it. What do you think the result has been? Overall, we know that

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good things have been done by way of work projects, but so far is the general self respect outlook of the young people who've served What? Can you assess the results? Well, George, I think it's a little bit too early to really to excesses in a way

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that you could say, Well, we have a complete success story here. I feel that we do not have a complete success story is that we are just trying to finger some of the problems that we have encountered on. We are working right along with some of

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the other agencies that, uh, that there still is a problem. I mean, I don't think that you can change behavior patterns that have crystallized over a period of, say, 15 or 16 years you've been trained. Changed them in one year or two years. It has to

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be a tremendous amount of work way have been trying to focus. Uh, we're trying to get a new focus in our efforts, and we hope from this focus that we could have some action. And now we are operating under way. We're operating under Rosenberg Foundation Grant,

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and now we are the Ford Foundation Grant. And here we may have a chance to really have a concert effort along with action and research. And I think this is so important. Then, at the end of this project, George, I hope that we will be able

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to say, Well, this is what we have accomplished right now. I can say only that way have tried to serve these young people. Um, some, we hope, have benefited by our services on. We hope that they will continue to, But I do not feel that we

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can see it this time. That we have the answer on this is a cure off all the problems because it isn't Carl. Can you tell me how this all got started? Yes. A group of boys from the Fillmore Hunters Point Bayview Mission District have been doing

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volunteer work projects for well over a year and felt that they could do something positive to work with the community and work with other clubs. Well, Jim, why did this effort get underway? Well, there were many groups that were working for youth in the sense that

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there were adult groups working for the teenagers. But were there any groups that, uh, of teenagers that were working for the adults? So we decided that we would change this. How many clubs were originally involved? Well, a two beginning there were very few clubs, possibly maybe

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four or five. Then it seemed to grew so there were more than just four or five. We started with a small handful than we developed into many clubs. Mike, I think you mentioned earlier that one of your problems is the impression people have of teenagers and

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the exaggeration that sometimes happens in connection with incidents of, uh, fighting and so forth. You want to enlarge on that? I think that a lot of people have been getting the kids wrong lately. And, well, all the headlines that have been coming out recently about different

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terror in the streets and all that that zoo. I don't think anything like that at all. These few teenagers commit these acts about Well, uh, I'd say it was because since the way the adults feel about the teenagers as them being hoodlums and potential machine gun

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Kelly and things like that that they they more or less I don't want nothing to do with them. They want to get recognition for themselves, and that's about the only way they can do it, because the adults won't let them do it no other way. I

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mean, it's just like if I walk down the street and someone says, Well, there goes a hoodlum the way I feel, I'd like to walk over and say, Well, yeah, and when did you get out of San Coun e? I mean, that's the type of thing

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that goes on and off all day long. It's a social acceptance, More or less. Yes. We don't just want to accept it. I mean, we wanna get in there and earn it for ourselves. In other words, just wanna be handed to us. We like to get

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their dogs to be afraid of the teenagers, which they are right now to be less afraid, and vice versa. Carl, didn't you have a figure? Uh, which you gave us a little earlier? About the percentage of the clubs that are members of the clubs which get

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in trouble and those that don't. Well, I think this is one of our problems club with, say, 20 or 25 members is formed and organized and maybe meeting within an agency with an advisor. Um, maybe two members get into some sort of difficulties, and the whole

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club is branded as hoodlums. Uh, this is not true. They're not hoodlums. And I think what Vic is trying to say is that that if we could, uh, achieve a sense, a new attitude towards the problems of, uh, of teenagers. Uh, we might We might be

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able to, uh, make a climate or create a climate that would be favorable to the growth and development of all sorts of creative and positive efforts. I've been talking to quite a few people on the streets recently and got a couple of people even sign up

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with us and guy from a gas station and cop on the beat. And different people throughout the city are really interested in this. And we can get some moral support from the public itself. Show these people that were not what they say we are. I think

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we could really get something really great going here. Uh, use for service. They ideas are very good putting youngsters, two useful occupations such as repairing buildings and things of that nature. Uhh their purpose. To bring all gangs together. I have to be opposed to but on

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Lee for the purpose that where you bring hoodlums from different neighborhoods or different counties into San Francisco, you're bound to have trouble Now. You object to publicly advertised meetings at which people might congregate from out of town, or people who they might not want or contemplate

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having there might gather. Is that correct? Well, in this nature that we say a public dance street dance that's advertised. It's like a magnet. It'll draw from Oakland, Alameda, San Mateo, Marin County, all the hoodlums to one location. When you bring hoodlums together, why you're bound

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to have trouble. But you don't object to something that is not publicized to gatherings which are handled through individual clubs or through groups of clubs, which are not public gatherings as such. Oh, absolutely not. We're for entertainment, for youngsters as private parties, school dances, church dances,

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church parties, school parties and organization parties like used for service. If it's not advertised, it's not. A magnet will only be by invitation and bring that group together and their friends. Captain, you tell us there are approximately 2% of 150 0 juvenile's who come to your

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attention. In other words, about 30 kids who, in one way or another, have trouble with the law. How do you think this number could be reduced? What steps could be taken to cut juvenile delinquency in San Francisco? Uh huh. All steps that's possible are being taken

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at the present time. We've always had delinquency, and we always will have delinquency to stop it completely. and have to be a magician. And there's no one that good. Uh, I'd say hole in about 2% is about as good as we're ever gonna dio. Now we

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will pause for a moment of silence. Yeah. Thank you. Now we'll have the report on 12 and one Mandel Street with boots. Go ahead. Well, um well, when I got there this morning, there was painting on the building. So way started painting. I

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mean, as to everything. And we painted one half of the building and did a little work on the inside of it. I mean, the project, it was going along pretty good and everything. We work, I think, to about four o'clock this evening, and everyone was working.

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Okay. And we have about two more days before we finish it out. That's on the outside. No telling how long were doing inside of it. All right. Uh, Sonny, did you report on 6 40 Valley Street project? Uh, the project runs is 6 48. Valley Street

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is for this old lady. She's a widow. She's crippled, and she needs somebody to help her. So they notified the youth of service on the got some boys out there and we're tearing down the back. That place really messed up and we're hauling away all the

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other stuff that you don't need and we save were saving some of the wood that we can use here. Maybe to help build some office hears from shelves downstairs. And after we're finished there were gonna fix the backyard paint the outside of the house and inside

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the house, it's mostly mostly, uh, repairing the house and start making it look a little bit on what it is now. Thanks, thanks. It's about the works for the projects. There's still some other things that are connected with other organizations in the city and, yes, for

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service would like to be in. There's a tree planting ceremonies or, I think not ceremony. Just A. Some organizations are planting trees around the city. Bush is his situation, and, uh, I would like some volunteer students or just, uh, reminded that it is a project. Other

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thing is that the city benches City street benches for like by car with bus stops are people sit down. No, there's a flower boxes on the same in the same reference to the tree planting and the City Street benches. Another thing is, I've been trying to

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get in touch with quite a few people to learn about the shootings that was in the newspapers. A couple of e think a couple of weeks ago that that there, let's say isolated, you know, they're always in, uh, in their house. They don't go out much

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a couple of weeks ago. People even have to take them out. Food. I mean, you know, not in a charitable way. But, you know, they just felt that way. Uh, I would like to see if, uh, any of these people need help in their houses, like

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rebuilding. You know that. You know, the house might be falling apart of some elected, see if we could get some projects on him. He clean up the backyard. There's most of these old people, just, you know, just that the place is going to a fire trap.

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He's a pressure could happen. Uh, I would like to take a little report from all district right now on problem situations. Actually, if there's any new problems or visiting, look. But somebody from Hunter's Point House on this point coming out well It's different trouble over there.

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I mean, between different clubs coming over there, everything on the fight, I'll club to sell boards. I mean, we try to avoid it, but if you're trouble, come, we're not gonna run from it stuff like that. So they've been coming over there quite regular clubs, back

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club, trying this out. And so that's all the troubles been over there, and we had a dance last night. A little trouble over there then. But I did nobody get hurt. But that's mostly the biggest trouble over there on, uh, no girls mixed up in it.

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It's just boys. I mean, they wanna fight us, so came back down and they keep coming over there and everything, telling us to meet them certain places. So we have to be there. Well, that this No one way really decided long ago that wouldn't we called

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Chicken is that we heard of a fight that we would come Teoh one of the staff and never know that before the crime stuff so we can try and prevent it. Way See that we've got our earlier early start on this. Now, if we could find

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out, we decided a long time ago. Months ago is not chicken. To tell. The club is trying to start trouble is just being sensible. So we can if we could find out who the clubs are. I mean, when we get to talk to him and save

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you a bunch of trouble Like I said, you don't wanna back down to fight with you. Rather not if you could avoid. Is that right? No, I didn't say it like that. How do you mean? If they come, they wanna fight. We're gonna fight. If they

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don't wanna fight, We don't wanna fight. But any time they come, we're not looking for no trouble. We're not gonna run from it. But if it's fall our way, we'd have to take it up.